Do Tau Sniper Teams Contest?

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**DonkeyCannon**

Tau Sniper Teams are not scoring units in their 4th edition codex. In fifth edition only troops are scoring but anything can contest except for dedicated transports. So are they allowed to contest?

**Ghaz**

Why would the fact that they weren't scoring units in 4th edition mean that they couldn't contest in 5th?

**Moz**

Any model will contest an objective. Scoring or not.

**DonkeyCannon**

@ Ghaz - Why would you waste my time and yours in posting on my thread without an answer or anything constructive at all. I told you a long time ago your type of responses aren't welcome or needed in any type of debate.

@ Moz - Thanks I was leaning towards this answer I just needed a second opinion.

**Drunkspleen**

I think you are jumping on Ghaz a bit too hastily DonkeyCannon, it's a valid question because the information you gave seemed to have no indication that they wouldn't be able to contest, It's fair enough to ask exactly why someone would think otherwhise incase there is information you are considering which you overlooked putting in your post.

**Red_Lives**

Yes, they can contest, their rule is that they aren't scoring units, however this no longer matters. and the BGB does nothing to say the contrary.

**whitedragon**

If you don't like something that another poster says, there is the alert feature. Don't go back and flame bait inside the thread.

And yes, they can contest.

**Ghaz**

DonkeyCannon wrote:@ Ghaz - Why would you waste my time and yours in posting on my thread without an answer or anything constructive at all. I told you a long time ago your type of responses aren't welcome or needed in any type of debate.

And why are you wasting our time making statements out of the blue without once explaining why you believe such things? We can't tell, you 'why not' if we don't know your 'why', now can we? Seems to me if you want somebody to answer your threads you need to be a little bit less defensive. So once again, why would the fact that they weren't scoring units in 4th edition mean that they couldn't contest in 5th? Do you have an answer this time or are you just going to waste our time again?

**Rockit**

Some non-scoring units in 4th ed. codexes stated that 'the unit cannot capture table quarters, hold objectives or count as scoring units'... that doesn't say anything specific about 'contesting objectives' but could be misunderstood to.

In the case of wording like that, look at the situation.
When within 3" of an objective in 5th edition, the model mentioned above cannot hold it.
All models, unless otherwise specified, in 5th ed. DO have the ability to contest... and that's what the above model would do.

Is that better DonkeyCannon?

**DonkeyCannon**

Spoken like a true gentleman.

**mikhaila**

DonkeyCannon wrote:@ Ghaz - Why would you waste my time and yours in posting on my thread without an answer or anything constructive at all. I told you a long time ago your type of responses aren't welcome or needed in any type of debate.

Ghaz gave you the answer. Did you not like it, or not understand the logic? No need to flame him.

1) Every model can contest objectives.
2) For a model to not be able to contest objectives, there must be some statement that says so.
3) "Not a scoring unit or not able to hold a table quarter" is different from "not able to contest objectives".

Therefore sniper drones can contest.

Now as to 'wasting time', Ghaz obviously didn't think it was a waste of time to reply, as he is the best person to judge such things, and he chose to do so. As to wasting your time in reading the reply? Wow, if that 5 seconds really bothered you, I somehow doubt you'd be on forums asking such questions in the first place.

So what you really flamed him about, was not answering your question the way you wanted him to.

**fullheadofhair**

mikhaila wrote:
DonkeyCannon wrote:@ Ghaz - Why would you waste my time and yours in posting on my thread without an answer or anything constructive at all. I told you a long time ago your type of responses aren't welcome or needed in any type of debate.

Ghaz gave you the answer. Did you not like it, or not understand the logic? No need to flame him.

1) Every model can contest objectives.
2) For a model to not be able to contest objectives, there must be some statement that says so.
3) "Not a scoring unit or not able to hold a table quarter" is different from "not able to contest objectives".

Therefore sniper drones can contest.

Now as to 'wasting time', Ghaz obviously didn't think it was a waste of time to reply, as he is the best person to judge such things, and he chose to do so. As to wasting your time in reading the reply? Wow, if that 5 seconds really bothered you, I somehow doubt you'd be on forums asking such questions in the first place.

So what you really flamed him about, was not answering your question the way you wanted him to.

Dude, you have just written total bollocks. Ghaz's reply was nothing but rude, just not needed, unhelpful and baiting. It also typifies the almost self righteous way he often replies to people. That is why it was said "why waste my time and yours". Heaven forbid he might actually apologize to smooth things along or even more unlikely admit he is wrong. What gets me is when people come along and defend him saying some of my favorite excuses:-
"thats just Ghaz" or "he has been around for a long time" or "yes his replies can be a bit abrasive but ...".

None of those apply. His is just rude and it is about time MOD's actually found a spine did something about it and told him either post nicely or don't post at all.

Yes we can all be a bit quick and slam people but most of us also apologize when we realize or its pointed out it was unwarrented.

**fullheadofhair**

Ghaz wrote:
DonkeyCannon wrote:@ Ghaz - Why would you waste my time and yours in posting on my thread without an answer or anything constructive at all. I told you a long time ago your type of responses aren't welcome or needed in any type of debate.

And why are you wasting our time making statements out of the blue without once explaining why you believe such things? We can't tell, you 'why not' if we don't know your 'why', now can we? Seems to me if you want somebody to answer your threads you need to be a little bit less defensive. So once again, why would the fact that they weren't scoring units in 4th edition mean that they couldn't contest in 5th? Do you have an answer this time or are you just going to waste our time again?

I fail to understand why you need to post like this. Whether or not the 4th ed rules work in 5th was the question, as well you know. It is just a little bit of extra info added to a question.

The correct answer to "it used to work like X but I think it now works like Y, is Y the correct interpretation" is either "Yes" or "No" with an explanation of the reason if you feel it is warrented. It is not "why would you think X has a bearing"

**Ghaz**

Perhaps you would like to explain what not being able to score in 4th edition has to do with contesting in 5th? They're two completely different rules. So perhaps you can tell us why one would have any effect on the other, because I sure as hell don't see it. And as for being 'rude', perhaps you should take care of your own rudeness first.

**fullheadofhair**

Ghaz wrote:Perhaps you would like to explain what not being able to score in 4th edition has to do with contesting in 5th? They're two completely different rules. So perhaps you can tell us why one would have any effect on the other, because I sure as hell don't see it. And as for being 'rude', perhaps you should take care of your own rudeness first.

Hypocrite? No. Just sick of seeing some of you posts and the crass manner and often downright unhelpful manner you often unnecessarily reply in and the fact that MOD's don't seem capable of tackling you on it and stopping it. Also sick of the "your rude to my rudeness" you resort to as a deflection mechanism everytime some points out how bad you sometimes post.

As for your question... They don't have an impact. Yes they are two different rule set. Yes, 4th has no impact on 5th. That wasn't the point of his question. His question was what is the rule on 5th, the comment on 4th was extranous information to frame a question and not the focus of his question.

**Lorek**

DonkeyCannon, if you don't like the tone of a poster's response, hit the Alert Mods button. Just because the other guy is being rude doesn't mean you can be.

Ghaz, you are often curt, rude and condescending in your replies to people, so don't be so surprised when you garner a negative reaction. If you treat people poorly, they'll treat you poorly.

The question's been answered, and there's nothing left to be gained in this thread.