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Where is my proof, you ask? It is right in front of most of our faces. If you have the new 40k rulebook, you have all the proof you need.

Turn to page 245 in the Warhammer 40k 5th edition rulebook. Please take note of the Space Marine army roster. If you study it closely, you will see that many of the points values are not those of the current Space Marine Codex.

For example, a Predator with autocannon and 2 heavy bolters is listed as 85 points. A Space Marine Tactical squad with missile launcher and flamer is 170. A Rhino with hunter-killer missile is 50 points.

Rumor has it that if a tactical squad takes 10 marines it gets a flamer and missile launcher for free. The list in the rulebook supports this rumor as well as other changes such as cheaper vehicles.

What do you think of my deduction?

Legion91 wrote:
What do you think of my deduction?

I think it's about a month late.

Zing!

You're forgetting the veteran sergeant.

If you had made a deduction, you'd show how your conclusion necessarily follows from the evidence in the rulebook rather than merely being supported by that evidence. It could be the case, for example, that the Flamethrower and Missile Launcher are both costed at ten points, leaving 15pts apiece for the rest of the squad.

if your mom had made a deduction.

There are many ways to look at it

1) The flamer costs +5 points and the missile launcher is +15.
2) The flamer costs +10 points and the missile launcher is +10 as well.
3) The squad's veteran sergeant is included. Also, the earlier rumor about free weapons for ten man squads specifically said that a flamer and heavy bolter were the "free" weapons. So we can deduce that the veteran sergeant is +15 and to upgrade the heavy bolter to a missile launcher is +5 points.
4) It's a typo.
5) It's based off an early "playtest" version of the codex and not accurate.
6) etc....

Won't happen, GW would not try something as radical as a point increase to balance the rules. Thats what special rules are for.

Well CSM marines are all 17 points, and they don't get the benefit of the ATSKNF special rule. Having them at 15 points would be broken. I think that they should all be 18 points, simply to give a bonus to those of us who cant use the ridiculous special rules. 'Combat tactics' my a**e.

blinky wrote:Well CSM marines are all 17 points

CSM means Chaos Space Marine and they're 15 points each. Did you in fact mean Codex Space Marines? Or am I missing some particularly obscure sarcasm?

According to that list scouts would be 18 pts a model. Slap on a reduction in WS and BS and what do we get?

A raping that even Helen Keller could see coming?

If it's a 10 man squad with vet sarge upgrade and two heavy weapons included for 170, that's cheap.

I am suspecting mandatory vet sergeants, possibly at +20pts

It's a good thing that all of the information in the rulebook regarding units is 100% dead-on correct, so this is exactly what we should be basing rumor information on.

16 actually.....





Vet sqt + 4 marines is the starting point of the unit for 90pts

16pts for each extra marine
Free missile + flamer

what bearing does this topic have on anything? Why can't people just wait for the new codex to hit the shelves instead of worrying about what the rulebook lists for the cost of a squad. The Internet is a great thing, but because we leave in an instant gratification world, I wonder if anyone likes to be surprised anymore. I love reading rumors and the like, but every once in while, I do like to be surprised.

With all due respect, if you want to be surprised why are you reading and posting in this section and thread?

Tazok wrote:With all due respect, if you want to be surprised why are you reading and posting in this section and thread?

Did you skip the part of my post that said I still read the rumors? I pick and choose which threads I read.

tkdarktrooper wrote:

Tazok wrote:With all due respect, if you want to be surprised why are you reading and posting in this section and thread?

Did you skip the part of my post that said I still read the rumors? I pick and choose which threads I read.

Well, if you frequent a forum named "News & Rumours" there just might be spoilers in the titles. It's not like you found out the sex of your soon to be born child....

whitedragon wrote:There are many ways to look at it

1) The flamer costs +5 points and the missile launcher is +15.
2) The flamer costs +10 points and the missile launcher is +10 as well.
3) The squad's veteran sergeant is included. Also, the earlier rumor about free weapons for ten man squads specifically said that a flamer and heavy bolter were the "free" weapons. So we can deduce that the veteran sergeant is +15 and to upgrade the heavy bolter to a missile launcher is +5 points.
4) It's a typo.
5) It's based off an early "playtest" version of the codex and not accurate.
6) etc....

7) The marines are 40 pts each. The flamer costs -50 points and the veteran sergeant costs -180 points. The missile launcher is free.

So that's the "total 180" HB was talking about in the other thread.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

whitedragon wrote:There are many ways to look at it

1) The flamer costs +5 points and the missile launcher is +15.
2) The flamer costs +10 points and the missile launcher is +10 as well.
3) The squad's veteran sergeant is included. Also, the earlier rumor about free weapons for ten man squads specifically said that a flamer and heavy bolter were the "free" weapons. So we can deduce that the veteran sergeant is +15 and to upgrade the heavy bolter to a missile launcher is +5 points.
4) It's a typo.
5) It's based off an early "playtest" version of the codex and not accurate.
6) etc....

7) The marines are 40 pts each. The flamer costs -50 points and the veteran sergeant costs -180 points. The missile launcher is free.

ARE YOU KIDDING! How could you possibly think GW would do something like making flamers cost -50?!?!?! It's clearly this:

y = cost of squad
x = number of models in the squad
c = number of special weapons in the squad

y = 1/2x^2 * c + 1

Scouts and space marines will switch costs and but retain the same rules, for balance of course. Oh and all marines have rending.