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One guy who i play with wants to field a clan eshin army and he doesn't want me to use flamers/tzeentch and use nurgle instead. I don't have nurglings and he wont let me proxy them so here is the list i came up with...

GUO w/ L4,trappings,staff
Epidemius
2 x herald w/L1,Palaquin,staff. 1 w/ BSB banner hellfire
21 plaguebearers FC, virulance (houses Epidemius + herald)
25 plaguebearers FC virulence w/ herald
10 plaguebearers

8/6 + 4 bounds

Since he is doing eshin he will use triads, lots of nightrunners to harass flanks etc so I brought some magic with me. It really hurts that i can't use nurglings to get rid of nightrunners so i have to bolster my 2 big units of plaguebearers and wait for him to charge or if he wants he can ninja star me all day long and he would be lucky to get 1/2 points from either squad. Key for me is to use the bound items and GUO to draw out magic and to tally up the kills asap to enjoy the "auto wound"(kill 7 1st round isnt hard against eshin...). The hellfire is what I will use last to clear annoying ninja star throwers on the flanks etc. I just hope he doesnt bring in engineers and jezzails as those are not clan eshin guys...

any suggestions?

All I can say is good luck to your opponent. With regen on your big blocks and GUO I'd say he's got less than a chance in hell at doing any damage to you. Taking those staffs to bolster your magic phase is a good move, as you'll be able to pound spells past his sorcerers easily and rot those rats at your leisure.

- Salvage

yeah, i see you winning fairly easily. if he is playing eshin only then he wont have any way to negate your rank bonus, nor will he be doing many wounds. i must say you are quite a generous player to let your opponent select your army for you.

Kiwidru wrote:yeah, i see you winning fairly easily. if he is playing eshin only then he wont have any way to negate your rank bonus, nor will he be doing many wounds. i must say you are quite a generous player to let your opponent select your army for you.

Well I am proxying few things and I couldn't proxy nurglings because i didn't have their base. Doesn't Triads negate ranks? And can he still use jezzails, ratlings, warlock engineer?

Also, do i have to have my Full command up in front? if that's the case i need to have 7 wide to include 2 palaquins and full command...

I'm not sure about command having to be in the front rank, but on the Clan Eshin questions ...

Triad don't negate ranks, and have only US3 so aren't getting side / rear bonuses either. It's a unit of 3 assassins, so has 12 poisoned WS6 S4 attaks. Killy but that's all.

An Eshin list per SoC can have ...

Master Assassin
Chieftain
Assassin
Eshin Sorcerer
Night Runners
Clanrats (weapon teams)
Clanrat Slaves
0-1 Stormvermin (weapon team)
0-1 Rat Swarms
Gutter Runners
Giant Rats
Jezzails
Eshin Triad
Plague Monks
Plague Censer Bearers
Globadiers
DoW

So ... if he maxes warpfire throwers you might have something to worry about

- Salvage

ic. so basically his magic wont be potent but he will still be able to field his stormvermins, plaguemonks, 10 jezzails and 4 ratling guns.. I will prob play stay away with magic and let him come to me instead... if i go to him i will get slaughtered..

Dude, everything you have has at least a 5+ ward followed by a 4+ regen save. In other words, only one in three wounds he causes to your plaguers will make it through ...

I think the magic plan was solid, his defense is going to be crap even with 3 scroll caddies. With the staffs and such you can trundle into your range and rot his face off, until he brings it into combat and you break him in half.

- Salvage

Why won't he just let you play the army you want?

It does seem a bit unfair - especially as he also won't allow proxies.

Does he have an 'I win' button also.

Yeah, skaven troops will do very little against regenerating T4s. Warp Lightning is one of my staples, and it's a pain to be magicked out of that advantage. I'm also a fan of Ratling guns, which are quite effective against Chaos Warriors but nothing special against daemons - not compared to its chance of just blowing up. Gutter runners w/poison are big trouble for unarmoured high Ts though - you only need seven or eight in a good flanking position to rip a good hole.

I got owned by nurgle last night.

Jezzails are something you might have to worry about, but you're right, it ain't Eshin. Your army is sticking to character, so if he's going to be a dick and not let you proxy nurglings, you know what to say about that. Almost forgot, poisoned rat swarms are stupidly great against monsters/no armour too... but again, you don't have to worry about this.

just a very quick warning, watch out incase he is using deathmaster sniktch in his army as the master assassin as he has 6 attacks, unsaved Wounds multiplied into D3!
sound nasty just yet?
oh, forgot to mention he's WS 9, and with his bound bracers he is also S9!
also, the killing blow rule to go with all that and he has I10!

as for his shooting attacks: 4 S5 shots a turn, unsaved wounds being multiplied to D3, and 10" range.

Defence: 4+ ward save with 3 wounds.


as you can tell i love the damage he can do, if your friend takes him then keep your GUO well away from him, as you will loose alot of points in 1 turn.