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Yeah, I must be at work...

Seriously, forgive the dunce questions. No, I don't have a copy of the rulebook, I had to leave the country before it came out and I been floating around on a boat since. So I have stupid questions.

How's kill points figgered? Is it something you can give a quick run down on, or some long involved crap?

Kill points are 1 per destroyed unit, no matter the size of the unit. That includes transports and ICs.

No matter what the size and value of the unit.

A Tau Commander with wargear worth 175 points is a kill point. A pair of detached gun drones worth 20 points is a kill point.

the only noteworthy rule about it is an IC that has a retinue option is worth 2 points, 1 for the IC 1 for the Retinue, everything else is 1 for each group of models which moves as it's own independant unit.

feth me dead. My BA list has...like 9 kill points in it. It'll be very interesting to see the exact wording on this one. Thanks a lot for the leg up, folks, I appreciate it.

9 isn't bad at all.

Nine? My 1750 IG list for the GT has 23...................

Hence the absurdity of kill points. I'm so dreading whatever kind of frankenstein, 'whacky', scenarios they put out for 'Ardboyz, one of which will surely be some variation on kill points.

Nine? My 1750 IG list for the GT has 23...................
-don_mondo

I'm curious about this. Why is this considered so much worse for the Guard? I know the guard has a lot of squads, but the basic "unit" of guardsmen is a platoon, isn't it? I thought this meant that you'd have to kill an entire platoon to get a kill point. I do see how counting transports each as separate units would cause trouble for mechanized guard, since they'd have a chimera for every squad - is that the problem?

Quidlon wrote:

Nine? My 1750 IG list for the GT has 23...................
-don_mondo

I'm curious about this. Why is this considered so much worse for the Guard? I know the guard has a lot of squads, but the basic "unit" of guardsmen is a platoon, isn't it? I thought this meant that you'd have to kill an entire platoon to get a kill point. I do see how counting transports each as separate units would cause trouble for mechanized guard, since they'd have a chimera for every squad - is that the problem?

Nope, each squad in a platoon, including the 5 man command squad is worth a kill point. That's the problem. According to KPs, 10 guardsmen=10 Grey Knight terminators...

No. The problem is the rules don't put quotes around Unit. So each unit gives a kill point. Since each platoon is made up of 3-6 units, plus the IC....

The really bizarre ones are in the Ordo books. Death cult assassins and daemonhosts, which you can buy up to 3 as a single Elite choice, each *model* counts as a separate kill point. A regular assassin also counts as a kill point, and the naked inquisitor with psycannon that used to be a popular addition to guard units is also worth a whole kill point. :(

I guess a priest or commissar is also worth a whole kill point by himself too?

A trio of lictors or Zoans are one FoC, but 3 KP.

What about those little spore mine thingies that Nids have that move around the table. Arn't they "units" and once they pop that unit is dead and should give a KP.

Funny on that, those same mines technically since they are units could contest an objective if they happen to stop by one at the end game.

Guard squads vs Termi squads doesn't bother me much when it comes to Kill Points, because if you end up rolling one of the objective missions instead, you now have that many more units that can capture objectives than him. I dislike stuff like Lictors, Assassins, Tomb Spiders and such where they're not even strong enough to actually count for a force slot, but you still get a KP for each.

Flavius Infernus wrote:
I guess a priest or commissar is also worth a whole kill point by himself too?

Nope. These models aren't Independent Characters or units on their own. In both cases they are attached to a unit before the game.

The unit containing a Commissar and/or Priest would only be one Kill Point if destroyed.