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My 1000 pt list was:

Hive Tyrant w Wings, Warp Field, Scything Talons, Toxin Sacs.
Hive Tyrant w Extended Carapace, Enhanced Senses, 2x Tl Devourers, Toxin sacs.

3x 8 Spingeunts, Wn

2 Carnifex w Enhanced Senses, Venom Cannon, Barbed Strangler, Extended Carapace
1 Carnifex w Enhanced Senses, 2x Tl Devourer

Based on the expierence from the 3 games i played today.

I think im going to change it to:

Hive Tyrant w Wings, Warp Field, 2x Tl Devourer, Toxin Sacs, Enhanced Senses
Hive Tyrant, Extended Carapace, Enhanced Senses 2x Tl Devourers, Toxin Sacs

2x 8 Spine Gaunt WN
1x 8 Spine Gaunt


2 Carnifex w Enhanced Senses, Venom Cannon, Barbed Strangler, Extended Carapace
1 Carnifex w Enhanced Senses, 2x Tl Devourer

Because my winged tyrant with talons pretty much never saw combat.
And the devourers just rip through units.

You play 5 MC in 1000 pts?? You should get shot!!! (unless playing in a cheese tournament)

Seriouslty, take some more gaunts or take some genestealers. It is more fair for the opponent, as he will have trouble coming up with the HW's needed to kill half of the creatures from the list as you have it now. This will also make sure you have more units that can claim objectives.

The only thing I can think off that breaks this list is DE, who can field 6 troops with a darklance and then have 400 to play with and get more DL's... They are nasty when in cover...

For my 1000 pts I would try a broodlord with stealers and gaunts as troops. Then maybe 2 gunfexes, to get the MC-feeling and the rest would be Warriors (they are getting better) or raveners. this force still has some MC's, but will give your opponents a bit of fun playing against it... it also conveys more of a scoutingparty, which is IMHO what the 1000 pts is meant to give you...

Pfft it aint cheese.. Get my MC's in combat and you win.

Update:

Hive Tyrant, Wings, Warp Field, Toxin Sacs, Enhanced Senses, 2x Twin Linked Devourer
Hive Tyrant, Extended Carapace, Toxin Sacs, Barbed Strangler, Twin linked Death Spitter

2x 8 Spine Gaunts, Without Number
8 Spingaunts

2x Carnifex, Extended Carapace, Enhanced Senses, Barbed Strangler, Venom Cannon
Carnifex, Enhanced Senses, 2x Twin Linked Devourer.

999 pts

Not entirely true, Guard will not kill them in combat and shooting is not that great at those points. Marines can, but still have isseus. Besides you also have the tyrants to consider, they can join the fray, a marine makes 2 wounds with fists, 1 more if lucky with the unit (about the same with orks btw)... Necrons only have warriors and a couple destroyers, eldar does't get a lot (maybe harlies).

Most armies are not going to make it. I do not say you need to change the list, I am saying that if you change it around a bit you will be able to play the list a bit more, as your opponents will want a rematch...


Where do you actually play, because if there is a chance of me running into you then I would like to know, so i can prepare... (DE with a lot of DL or wraithguards and as many as I can get...

Spellekijn Leeuwarden And i might show up in games n stuff after the summer vacation too.

Then unless I decide to go very far for a FLG I will not play against you... Good for me then... I mostly play with my friends who play, but sometimes I play in Uden. Also thinking of playing in Tilburg at a store (Dobbelsteen). Still leaves a lot of km's so I think we will not meet, so I do not have to bring a beardlist to beat yours...

Stealershock and rend the hell out of the MC's. There's not enough shooting to stop the tide.

Do they still do army composition scores in competitive gaming? Considering your heavy and HQ are like 90% of your points and troops are Tiny, *EVEN IF* your list is easy to defeat, it is usually considered cheese. Even if you win all your games but have horrible army composition, you can never win overall which defeats the purpose.

Now just cut the crap about my army being not fair, its 1000 pts, my enemy has 1000 pts so its balanced.. He should bring a better list himself, im not weakening my list to let other people win, that's just plain stupid.

It's not about weakening your list to "let" people win. It's about playing something flexible, fun, and realistic to what a 1000 point army is supposed to represent. In fact, a more flexible and versatile list would probably be stronger overall.

Winning is fun, but if that's the only way some people can enjoy the game, it makes it way less fun for other people. It's a game when it comes down to it, and both people should have an equal chance at enjoying the experience. Winning is fun, but the game should be fun no matter what the result. Why play if the outcome is the only part that matters?

In a tournament setting, people would have to have an otherwise terrible army list composed of weapons designed specifically to score 20 wounds on 5 guys with exceedingly high toughness. If they do have such a list, they will perform horribly against the rest of the field. It's also lacking in variety, and just not fun to play with or against.

I watched a guy in a 1000 point tournament do something similar with 2 Lash Princes, 3 Obliterators, and then the minimum troops. It's the same results every time with min/max lists like this: Either blow out the enemy, or get blown out.

Why not play something a little more flexible that gives you a shot every time, and requires strategic thought and careful planning to win? Relying simply on the fact that your guys are massive and have huge numbers takes a lot away from what a game is designed to be for all players involved: fun.

In general though, I'm wondering why you chose Sniperfex's over the ultra-cheap BS + ST Elite Fex? It will still deal with most armor in 1000 points, while having some CC ability, and frees up more points for extra Gaunts and some Stealers to claim objectives.

Martndemus wrote:Now just cut the crap about my army being not fair, its 1000 pts, my enemy has 1000 pts so its balanced.. He should bring a better list himself, im not weakening my list to let other people win, that's just plain stupid.

Terms like min/maxing exist for a reason, and your list is a textboox definition. No one said it was cheating, just considered by many to be beardy and unsportsmanlike. So they avoid playing you in casual games and score you low in competitive games.

16% troops is pushing it. You can have a highly competitive army that isn't 'weak' with 40% troops which was the old standard for tournaments.