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Someone brought this to my attention this weekend so I thought I'd toss it up here. I did not see this mentioned earlier, if discussed then lock it.

I do not own the Dark Angels codex but apparently the wording of the combat squad rule and the ravenwing bikes unit would make Land Speeders taken as troops via MotRW a scoring unit. This is assuming of course that Codex trumps rulebook and also that there's no rules in the codex that keeps this from happening. Are the Land Speeders seperated via the combat squad rule (since that rules does say the seperate units count as scoring) or are they seperate via some other rule. I don't know myself.

Thoughts?

Well, it does say that vehicles are never scoring units, so I would think that even if it's a Troops choice it still doesn't count. Kind of like how Rhinos don't count either, even though they're technically a Troops choice (if taken as a transport for a Troops unit, of course).

Ork dreads taken as troops thanks to a mek don't count either unfortunatley.

Yep, doesn't matter if it's a Troops choice or not, vehicles and swarms aren't scoring units.

I think the argument was not that it scored because it was a troop choice, but that the combat squad rules says the seperate combat squad-ed units are seperate scoring units. I thought it seemed like a stretch but crazier things happen with old codexes and new editions.

Damn, too bad. Dark Angels almost were thrown a bone...

Well, Winterman you are correct that the DA codex does say that Ravenwing speeders from a Ravenwing Squadron are a "completely independent scoring unit of one model".

But this is clearly referencing the old rules. If some DA player wants to go nuts and argue the RAW that the codex overrides the main rules in this case just point out to them that their codex also says that their combat squads are only scoring when above half strength.

Yeah I forgot, we had talked about the 50% thing as well. I agree with you that this is all in reference to the 4ed rules but GW seems to want people to play the rules exactly as they are in the codex based on their FAQs.

There's a bigger implication here too, although it seemed even more far fetched then my initial query. Would a dev squad or assault squad be a scoring unit if combat squaded? Even if below 50% was in effect, a DA player could potentially have a lot of scoring units to have to deal with, including the (overpriced) Ravenwing Land Speeder.