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Hey guys, back again after a break. I'm collecting eldar and I want to get a list together. The first batch of models i want to buy and build will be for tourney level play. But I'll have it all eventually. I'm not bringing them to Vegas obviously, but how would a list like this do at vegas?

Avatar
Maugan Ra

10x guardians with scatter lasers
10x guardians with scatter lasers
10x guardians with scatter lasers
10x guardians with scatter lasers

3x vypers with scatter lasers
3x vypers with scatter lasers
3x vypers with scatter lasers

3x warwalkers with scatter lasers
fire prism with holo-field, spirit stones and star engines
fire prism with spirit stones

I'll go first if i win the roll. It will be highly unlikely that I will try to outflank with the warwalkers without autarch help. I will want them on the table if I manage to seize the initiative. Avatar will keep the bubble just at 12" on the guardians. I can eat assaults and let them pop open, or if need be I can tar-pit, then add Ra and the Avatar in to clean up.

My anti-heavy tank is primarily combo prism shots if for some reason I'm un-shaken, or just ramming if a tank 'needs' to die, preferably with the holo-fielded prism.

I'm looking very closely at 180 orks, 100 nids with template fexes, and vehicle spammers as likely tourney opponents.

Thanks...

K I have said this before, and I will say it again.

Avatar + Guardians = suck.

Shooting, yes you live...until your gunners get popped by torrent of fire, and you have a useless scoring unit that can't kill anything at range.

In CC, fearless wounds (and you'll take a boatload of them) means I will gladly charge 30 Ork boyz into your guardians and your avatar, because while I will lose 3 boyz to the Avatar--I will absolutely crush your guardians beneath my boot (wiping 1 of 2 squads out entirely is real easy with Orks). Then your stupid Avatar takes it in the shorts from the fearless wounds. Ok, take ten wounds.
Dead.

You cannot stop someone from assaulting you, without some serious CC units and you don't have them.

That means only the Vypers can get away. Everything else, can't...and dies.

This list will have a hell of a time against all of those armies you listed, because those lists will give as good as they get--but they can take what you give out, and you can't take what they give you.

Thanks for the quick and informed reply.

I felt like the 80 shots would do more to protect the guardians from a charge. It seemed like I could spend turn 1 shooting at the lootas, and turn 2 shooting at the most threatening boy unit. I wouldn't put math over first hand experience though. I gotta give this list a few plays with proxies before I move away from it, but I accept your notes on it as well.

Now to head over to your warlock biker post

Not to dog on you or anything, but I respect people who can write competitive lists like this. If I were to write a list like this, I would feel that I'm missing so much.

Maugan Ra in this list is a bit iffy for me, but not in a bad way. I say iffy as in you could switch him out for Eldrad and you wouldn't be missing anything too big. Consider swapping the Avatar for Prince Yriel. He's quite good as a solo-combatant, especially with his eye.

Otherwise, looks pretty solid.