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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/07 19:14:27
Subject: 1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Hey all
Here's my current build idea against the dark eldar, whom i've never faced before
any suggestions or improvements?
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Farseer (125)
Fortune, Guide, Spirit Stones
- Troop 1 (396)
10 x wraithguard with Spiritseer
Conceal
- Troop 2 (128)
7+1 Exarch DireAvengers
Dual Shur-cat, Bladestorm
Wave Serpent transport (125)
TL SctL, Spirit Stones
- Troop 2 (133)
7+1 Exarch DireAvengers
Dire/pistol, Defend
Wave Serpent transport (130)
TL EML, Spirit Stones
- Elites (128)
5 +1 Exarch Striking Scorpions
SClaw , Stalker
- Hvy 1 (180)
3 x Warwalkers with 2 SctL each
- Hvy 2 (155)
Wraithlord
Brightlance and EML
the idea with this build is to walk forth with the wraith units, holding back with the DA's till late in the game and then move in taking mission objectives, while the scorps hide in cover or behind the wraith units and attack any enemy trying to slow down the wraith units in CC
did i Oversee / underestimate or lack anything??
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/07 19:25:02
Subject: Re:1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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DE armies are usually very mobile with lots of dark lances.
A typical army contains several Sniper squads (10 Warriors with 2 dark lances), Raider squads (10 Warriors with blaster, incl Sybarite with agonizer), Wych squads in Raiders, and Ravagers (three dark lances, or 1 dark lance and 2 disintegrators).
You first need to take down his mobility, Raiders and Ravagers. Serpents with scatterlasers can do it easily. A Wraithlord with bl and eml is overkill, give him multishot S6 weapons.
The Wraithguard will be an easy target for the Wyches. They will have a hard time to take them down, but will slice them slowly thanks to the Sucubbi with agonizers.
Outflanking units are good: Scorpions can tie up Sniper squads while Warwalkers can cause havoc in the enemy's backfield.
I would make the army more mobile: Drop the Wraithguard for Dire Avengers in Serpent and add some Vypers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/08 06:41:24
Subject: Re:1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar
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Fresh-Faced New User
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hmmm
I see your point of view of mobility
Rats...my love for wraithguards and wraithlords units must wait for another battle :(
thanks for the info...will come up with something better army dealing with DE
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/11 19:10:59
Subject: Re:1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar
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Fresh-Faced New User
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okay... this is my new army
I just found out that this army will face Dark eldars, nids, choas, and maybe orks
HQ (550)
Farseer (85) Fortune
7 Warlocks (240) 4xDestructors, 1xEnhance, 2xEmblodens
Autarch (100) Power weapon, Maniblasters, Fusion Gun
Wave Serpent (125) TL-SctL, Spirit Stones
- Troop 1 (258)
7+1 Exarch Dire Avengers (128)
Dual Shur-cat, Blade Storm
Wave Serpent transport (130) TL-EML, Spirit Stones
- Troop 2 (263)
7+1 Exarch Dire Avengers (133)
Dire/pistol, Defend
Wave Serpent transport (130) TL-EML, Spirit Stones
- Troop 3 (144)
6 Pathfinders (144)
- Elites (285)
7 +1 Exarch Howling Banshees (160)
MirrorSwords, Acrobat, War Shout
Wave Serpent (125) TL-SctL, Spirit Stones
Total: 1500 pts (nice and sweet)
39 troops
4 Transports
miss anything?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/11 22:05:47
Subject: 1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sadly my recommendation is have some squads for bait.
The best way to kill the wyches is to shoot them, and they will be in transport or in combat so either blow their transport up or bait them into CC with something you don't care about.
Let them wipe it out than mow them down with mass S6 weapons. Their save is 6+outside of CC.
Once the witches are gone DE lose mostly all their power.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/11 22:23:06
Subject: 1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar
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Executing Exarch
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A few things to keep in mind.
1) Scatter lasers are about twice as good as missile launchers for bring down raiders.
2) Against anything with a 5+ save, scorpions are much much better than banshees. At 4+ the scorpions are a bit better but the banshees don't start to excel till they go up against 3+ save targets. The only issue is that scorpions are not fleet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/11 22:33:49
Subject: 1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar
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Sneaky Striking Scorpion
Between the Sun and the Sky
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I would say that you're better off with Scorps than with Banshees, because the real CC threat DE have is Wyches, who have a ++ save anyways. Scorpions will have a better chance there, and everywhere else against DE, because they don't have many heavily-armored units. You want to focus your army around your Scatter Lasers and Shuricannons, because those will be your Raider-killers. Afterwords, just drown them in fire. I think that the Seer council is a bit overkill. I would go with one or two squads of scorpions, and then a shooty core.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/11 23:01:24
Subject: 1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Just don't even consider CCing Wyches, they half your WS and are just as bad of an idea to CC as Gene Stealers.
Shoot the wyches to death and the DE break.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/12 00:46:26
Subject: Re:1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar, Choas and Nids
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Fresh-Faced New User
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i totally agree with you guys....scorps are better against Dark eldars
However, this army list is for Dark eldars (battling this week) , forces of chaos ,orks, and nids.
My 1500 army list is not to change during this round robin
that's why i have EML and Banshees (these will be very useful in the coming battles against nids and chaos)
my "bait" squad are the pathfinders...hopefully their +2 cover save will save them
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/08/12 07:06:43
Subject: 1500 Iyanden vs Dark Eldar
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator
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Why should you use a bait squad in a mech army? It gives your opponent a focus and you eventually react to it. This will limit the tactical flexibility that a mech army has.
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