Advice on my new 2000 point army list i want to put together Critism helps too

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**Xav**

**Xav**

HQ
-Terminator Lord
-combi weapon,chainfist and mark of Khorne.
-150

Elites
-Terminators (10)
-5 combi plasma,3 combi melta,2 reapers,2 chainfists
-Mark of nurgle.
-460
Troops
-(10) chaos marines.
-Mark of Nurgle,heavy bolter.
-200

-(10) chaos marines.
-Mark of Nurgle
-200

-Thousand son (9)
-Aspiring sorceror
-Bolt of Change
-237

-Khorne Berzerkers(8)
-Skull champion
-Power fist
-210
Heavy Support
-Defiler
-2 close combat arms.
-150

-Land raider
-235

-Vindicator
-Demonic Possesion
-140

-Rhino
-35

Total=2000

**Regwon**

first of all i like they way you've just mushed your list together in no particular order so it makes it much harder to read, let alone give advice on, but i shall endevour to anyway.

starting at the top:

your terminators are fine. powerfists instead of chainfists would probably be better. spend the points on more combi-weapons

there are no such things as tactical squads in the CSM codex. naked CSM squads are bad. scrap them and get some noise marines instead.

your defiler will get shot on the first turn because it has next to no armour.

the landraider shouldnt have a havoc launcher because it cant fire it as well as its other stuff. demonic possession would be better if you intend it to be a transport.

the same with your vindicator, the havoc launcher is poitless because you cant fire both guns at once. demonic possession is a necessity on vindicators.

your terminator lord should have a combi-weapon. its a waste of points. a demon prince would be better.

which squads are riding in the rhinos? they dont need dozerblades or combi-weapons

your 1Ksons sorcerer MUST have a psychic power. he doesnt get the choice not to. BoC would be good.

your berzerker champion should have a powerfist to make use of his extra attacks.

your list is all over the place. it has basically no anti-tank, no real anti-horde and precious little anti-meq. you will lose to most serious armies. add some oblits, add some plague marines or noise marines. people will complain that everyone does that, but it takes a lot of skill to make an effective chaos list without them, and you probably dont have that yet. keep trying. you can only get better.

**Xav**

thanks for the advice il rearrange the army list straight away the rhinos for the marines or thousand sons dont have a demon prince thanks for advice on the tanks

**Stelek**

Argh it's a battleforce army. Must...stop...the...insanity!

I think regwon covered the basics.

For Chaos, bring Kult troops, Raptors, or terminators (and not ALL 3!) or go home.

Bring Oblits if you want to be competitive.

**Xav**

Yeh i admit i have exspanded the army from the renegade strike force

**Xav**

im gonna replace 1 squad of marines for plague marines soon

**Xav**

Ive been looking at my army list and comparing it to some others and ive decided i might scrap the marines for some plague marines. means i have less troops but i have more tougher ones.give me ur thoughts

HQ
-Terminator Sorceror
-Mark of slannesh,slash of Submission,familar,Bolt of Change.
-140

Elites
-Terminators (10)
-5 combi plasma,3 combi melta,2 reapers,2 chainfists
-Mark of nurgle.
-460
Troops
-Plague Marines (14)
-Plague Champion, power fist.
-2 Plasma guns.
-380

-Thousand son (9)
-Aspiring sorceror
-Bolt of Change
-237

-Khorne Berzerkers(8)
-Skull champion
-Power weapon
-210
Heavy Support
-Defiler
-2 close combat arms.
-150

-Land raider
-235

-Vindicator
-Demonic Possesion
-140

-Rhino
-35

Total=2000

I want my arm to be a mid range shooty army but not hopeless at close combat i might soon scrap the beserkers for some noise marines i will hopefully have this army by the end of September with my birthday coming do you think i should include another rhinos?and should i change the terminator lord to a sorceror with lash of submission and bolt of change?