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Will this list be competetive playing with 5th edition rules? I will be playing in a semi casual/semi competetive environment.

I guess it is kind of standard. maybe it would be better to use three units of noise marines and maybe add a few extra models and a champion with a fist to one of them?

Daemon prince - Wings, mark of slaanesh, LoS. 155p

Daemon prince - Wings, mark of slaanesh, LoS. 155p

2x Obliterators 150p

2x Obliterators 150p

2x Obliterators 150p

7x Thousand sons + 1 Aspiring sorceror with doombolt. 231p

5x Noise marines, sonic blasters 125p

5x Noise marines, sonic blasters 125p

5x Noise marines, sonic blasters 125p

5x Noise marines, sonic blasters 125p

Total 1491p

I like it. It seems very solid for what your going into (semi-competitive casual). Although you might want to distribute that last 5 man NM squad into the other ones. Their numbers being so small is a little dangerous even if they will be striking first pretty often.

You might want to cut a single NM that is left hanging over and get another Tson to go in that squad. With the left over points you could grab some personal icons in case you want to DS the Oblits in.

Its good in a semi-competitive environment. Keep the NM squads in smaller numbers. More killpoints for the opponent but more flexibility for you.

So, which is really better? 3 larger squads of NM or 4 smaller ones?

I would say this list looks solid, but I would also say you'd much rather have Noise Marines than Thousand Sons, and also that you would much rather have Predators over Obliterators. Obliterators are fragile, and can be instantly killed by anything that has to even try to scratch a Predator, as well as small-arms fire. You have plenty of anti-infantry firepower already, and if you add some Blastmasters, you won't be missing anything if you replaced the Obliterators with 3 Lascannon Predators. If you drop the Thousand sons, and combine the units of NM into three units, you can purchase the Predators, and also 3 Blastmasters for your squads.

Burning Star IV wrote:I would say this list looks solid, but I would also say you'd much rather have Noise Marines than Thousand Sons, and also that you would much rather have Predators over Obliterators. Obliterators are fragile, and can be instantly killed by anything that has to even try to scratch a Predator, as well as small-arms fire. You have plenty of anti-infantry firepower already, and if you add some Blastmasters, you won't be missing anything if you replaced the Obliterators with 3 Lascannon Predators. If you drop the Thousand sons, and combine the units of NM into three units, you can purchase the Predators, and also 3 Blastmasters for your squads.

oblits can be one shotted by S8+ weapons, which can also one shot preds, except its harder to one shot 2 oblits than it is a pred, and you dont get any versitility with the pred, where as oblits are good at everything. please play more with chaos.

you may need a few more big weapons. a couple of blastmasters would probably do. they are also very good with lash. i think 4 bigger squads are better than 2 smaller ones. the added durability and greater flexibility more than makes up for the reduction in versitility. i wouldnt go any smaller than 3 squads though. you have to remember that NM are no harder to kill then regular marines, so while they are very good, they are also fraguile because of their low numbers.

Regwon wrote:

Burning Star IV wrote:I would say this list looks solid, but I would also say you'd much rather have Noise Marines than Thousand Sons, and also that you would much rather have Predators over Obliterators. Obliterators are fragile, and can be instantly killed by anything that has to even try to scratch a Predator, as well as small-arms fire. You have plenty of anti-infantry firepower already, and if you add some Blastmasters, you won't be missing anything if you replaced the Obliterators with 3 Lascannon Predators. If you drop the Thousand sons, and combine the units of NM into three units, you can purchase the Predators, and also 3 Blastmasters for your squads.

oblits can be one shotted by S8+ weapons, which can also one shot preds, except its harder to one shot 2 oblits than it is a pred, and you dont get any versitility with the pred, where as oblits are good at everything. please play more with chaos.

you may need a few more big weapons. a couple of blastmasters would probably do. they are also very good with lash. i think 4 bigger squads are better than 2 smaller ones. the added durability and greater flexibility more than makes up for the reduction in versitility. i wouldnt go any smaller than 3 squads though. you have to remember that NM are no harder to kill then regular marines, so while they are very good, they are also fraguile because of their low numbers.

Predators are much, much, much, much harder to one-shot with S8 weapons. Take a lascannon; needs a 5+ to penetrate, and then another 5+ to destroy. Against an Obliterator, it needs a 2+ to wound, and basically a 3+ (because of your invulnerable save) to kill you. Outright. Even if you're in cover, that gives you scant protection comparable to your invulnerable save. A Predator also has more lascannons, one twin-linked, than two obliterators. It may not have anything else, but this list doesn't need anything else. It already has 3 of one of the best AI shooting units in the game. Plasma cannons are nice, but against anything but Terminators, you won't need them because of your blastmasters. Even then, Terminators can be taken out by a Las-predator or a good amount of wounds from some of the Noise Marines. The rest of the Obliterator weapons are also pretty useless (in this list), and not as survivable as a Predator.

By the way, I USE Chaos. Predators are the way to go.

Don't go with predators. Please stick with the oblits. As I said earlier keep the NM squad sizes at 6 instead of 5. They will do a lot better that way. I agree that a few blastmasters could only help the list out. And I also agree that the Tsons, with the prevalence of cover saves for everything would probably be better left behind for more NMs.

Go the blaster masters!!! thousand sons are too slow and get shot to s**t, i know coz my friend plays thousands sons in his army and i hate them with a passion

It's just that the blastmasters are so damn expensive, one noise marine with blast master is pretty close to an oblit in points. I will probably try out a list with 2 of them though.

One unit of thousand sons has performed well for me, they kind of force power-armor opponents to stay in cover and thus hamper their mobility.

They many do that for marines but for eldar and tau, sheer fire power in one turn can destroy them fast. 24 s 6 shot from my war walker squad makes short work of any power armour squad especially when my psychic powers are active

Squig_herder wrote:They many do that for marines but for eldar and tau, sheer fire power in one turn can destroy them fast. 24 s 6 shot from my war walker squad makes short work of any power armour squad especially when my psychic powers are active

Sure, then I guess I should play Chaos without any power armor units... things (including your walkers) will get shot to hell, that's a part of the game...

id say go for predators than the oblits. first off, they can be shot with anything, from las guns to las cannons. predators will need to be taken out with anti tank, thus saving your daemon prince of some pretty strong weapons. and excuse me but predators can get a cover save to.