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Enjoy. No LOTR info yet but uhh yeah.

40K;

"Friday Event: 40K Doubles Tournament

The Doubles Team consists of two players. The players may bring two completely disparate armies. That means, for this event, that the players are not required to "combine" two armies that make sense with regards to the Warhammer 40,000 background. By the same token, players may "combine" two of the same type of army.

Each player must bring an army of no more than 750 points. When combined, the armies must not exceed one Standard Force Organization Chart. Each player must adhere to the following:

0-1 HQ choice (at least one member of the Team must bring an HQ)
1-3 Troop choices
0-1 Elite choice
0-1 Fast Attack choice
0-1 Heavy Support choice

Each player on a team is allowed to utilize one "floating" selection if they wish. This "floating" selection may be used for any category except HQ or Troops and MUST be from a different category than all of your other teammates. In other words, one player may bring an additional Fast Attack choice in addition to the standard Team Tournament Force Organization restrictions (making it 0-2 possible), but no one else on that same team may choose Fast Attack as a "floating" selection.

All 2008 Warhammer 40,000 Doubles Tournaments will use the 5th Edition Rules.

Armies must follow all restrictions on army selection from their own Codex.

Only the main army list be used for the army in question. No appendix lists are permitted.

Special Characters are permitted, subject to the normal restrictions for that character in the Codex.

Only armies from the following Codexes may be taken at the Grand Tournament:

• Codex: Space Marines
• Codex: Space Wolves
• Codex: Black Templars
• Codex: Dark Angels
• Codex: Blood Angels - White Dwarf 329-330
• Codex: Imperial Guard
• Codex: Daemonhunters
• Codex: Witch Hunters
• Codex: Eldar
• Codex: Dark Eldar
• Codex: Orks
• Codex: Necrons
• Codex: Tau Empire
• Codex: Tyranids
• Codex: Chaos Space Marines
• Codex: Chaos Daemons

These army lists will be used with the following addendums:

Space Marines

Traits may be used; if using a Chapter with traits defined in the Codex then those traits must be used.

Be aware that clarifications have been issued explaining how to use Codex: Space Wolves in conjunction with Codex: Space Marines. These clarifications apply for the Grand Tournaments and can be found here.

Space Marine armies may use Inquisitorial allies as defined in Codex: Daemonhunters or Codex: Witch Hunters

Imperial Guard

Doctrines may be used; if using a regiment with doctrines defined in the Codex then those doctrines must be used.

Imperial Guard armies may use Inquisitorial allies as defined in Codex: Daemonhunters or Codex: Witch Hunters

Forces of the Inquisition

Inquisitorial armies may take Space Marine or Imperial Guard allies as defined in Codex: Daemonhunters or Codex: Witch Hunters

Scenarios
The Doubles Teams will play three Standard Warhammer 40,000 scenarios

Scoring
For the Warhammer 40,000 Doubles Tournament we will only take Battle Points and Sportsmanship Points into consideration. These will be scored in the same manner as for the Grand Tournaments. Although Army Appearance will not be judged for the Doubles Tournament, the Grand Tournament Rules for models (fully painted, Citadel Miniatures, WYSIWYG, etc.) are all in effect."

Fantasy;

"Friday Event: Fantasy Doubles Tournament

The Doubles Team consists of two players. The players may bring two completely disparate armies. That means, for this event, that the players are not required to "combine" two armies that make sense with regards to the Warhammer background. By the same token, players may "combine" two of the same type of army.

Each player must bring an army of no more than 1,000 points. This means that neither player may field a Lord choice.

Armies must follow all restrictions on army selection from their own Army Book.

Only the main army list may be used for the army in question. No appendix lists are permitted.

Special Characters are permitted, subject to the normal restrictions for that character in the Army Book.

Only armies from the following Army Books may be taken at the Grand Tournament:

• Warhammer Armies: Bretonnians
• Warhammer Armies: Beasts of Chaos
• Warhammer Armies: Daemons of Chaos
• Warhammer Armies: Dark Elves
• Warhammer Armies: Dwarfs
• Warhammer Armies: Empire
• Warhammer Armies: High Elves
• Warhammer Armies: Lizardmen
• Warhammer Armies: Ogre Kingdoms
• Warhammer Armies: Orcs & Goblins
• Warhammer Armies: Skaven
• Warhammer Armies: Tomb Kings
• Warhammer Armies: Vampire Counts
• Warhammer Armies: Wood Elves

These army lists will be used with the following addendums

Lizardmen
The Southlands List, from page 74 of Warhammer Armies: Lizardmen, may also be used in the 2008 GTs

Ogre Kingdoms
Ogre units marked with the special rule Dogs of War may be included as Rare choices in armies that include that option in their main army list.

Giants
Giants may be taken as a Rare choice by the armies noted in the Giant Rules download, which is available at the bottom of the page.

Wood Elves
Wood Elves players may not use their special rule that normally allows them to bring an additional woods section.

Chaos
Mortal Chaos armies should use the list provided in WD #341, available here.

Beasts of Chaos armies should use the Beasts of Chaos army book, taking into condsideration the changes posted in the FAQ which can be found here.

Daemonic armies use Warhammer Armies: Daemons of Chaos.

Scenarios
The Doubles Teams will play three Standard Warhammer scenarios.

Scoring
For the Warhammer Doubles Tournament we will only take Battle Points and Sportsmanship Points into consideration. These will be scored in the same manner as for the Grand Tournaments. Although Army Appearance will not be judged for the Doubles Tournament, the Grand Tournament Rules for models (fully painted, Citadel Miniatures, WYSIWYG, etc.) are all in effect."

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=true&catId=&categoryId=300005&aId=3400027

Items 13, 14, and 15.

Thanks to Dave Taylor for getting this info out.

I asked Dave whether you can use just 1 HQ in the combined army. It seems so, but they kind of contradict each other.

So, has anyone figured out any good broken doubles army combos that would otherwise never see the light of day in tournament play?

Oh just about any army that can't shoot at long range well matched up with any army that can't assault well is a good mix.

My little bunch of friends have mech sisters, foot DH, lash chaos, and tau. I think we'll give mech sisters + lash and foot dh + tau a whirl. We haven't voted on it yet though.

Stelek wrote:Oh just about any army that can't shoot at long range well matched up with any army that can't assault well is a good mix.

My little bunch of friends have mech sisters, foot DH, lash chaos, and tau. I think we'll give mech sisters + lash and foot dh + tau a whirl. We haven't voted on it yet though.

LOL. Sounds like fun. I look forward to hearing how these combos fare.

Well, for the just 1 HQ in the combined army, that seems to make sense as written - one member of any particular team-up must have an HQ choice. Since each teammate will eventually be paired with each other, that means that at most only one army may be without an HQ choice for a valid team-up to occur in each match.

Tzeentchling I think you're a bit off...as far as I know, it's just a doubles tournament. None of that dumb adepticon team crap.

Anyway Dave Taylor said this in response to how the HQ works:

"So one team member must bring an HQ, and both team members can bring an HQ, but neither player can bring two HQs."

Works for me.

Aah, never mind then. The way you phrased it, and the way you talked about the armies your group was planning, made it seem like the adepticon version.

BTW: Stelek, this is the perfect place to prove your superiority! Let your teammate take like a squad of WG and a fortune seer and just hide in a corner - then you can prove how good you are by beating teams with just your 750 point half!

Wait, why can't *I* hide and let them kill you? lol

Incidentally what is the $ cost of this/comparable events ?

I go to the UK Gts, this year a single ticket cost me £55, which gets me my 6 games, 2 lunches and a dinner, the vague promise of a seminar or somesuch in the evening (usually) and the top third of each of the 3 heats get tickets for the final early next year. It's not a bad deal really, especially if you qualify for the final.

EDIT : D'oh ! $ 150 dollars, missed the link... doesn't strike me as too bad. You guys seem to get better prizes than we do anyway.

reds8n wrote: I go to the UK Gts, this year a single ticket cost me £55, which gets me my 6 games, 2 lunches and a dinner, the vague promise of a seminar or somesuch in the evening (usually) and the top third of each of the 3 heats get tickets for the final early next year. It's not a bad deal really, especially if you qualify for the final.

You could always check out AdeptiCon in Chicago, IL. Typically around $110-$130 gets you 10-11 games of Fantasy or 40K guaranteed. Plus huge prize support, typically a free mini or two, the best gaming/modeling around and a ton of other activities. Hotel costs are comparable to the Travel Lodge in Nottingham with a room that is almost the equivalent of Hiton's Grosvenor Hotel in Edinburgh. Food is far better priced and higher quality in the states.

The exception is the bars. The UK pubs have the US bars beat hands down. There will at least be a cash bar in the convention hall this year.

Other than that though - AdeptiCon is the place where you want to be. Hell - with the exchange rates now - some of Europeans should be able to easily join us.

So my question in regards to the Team Tournament is:
Do you still have to follow Codex requirements? In other words:
Do Tau have to bring 1+ Commanders and 1+ Fire Warrior Teams?
Do IG have to bring one Infantry Platoon for each Armored Fist Squad?
Do I need to have an Inquisitor in order to bring an Assassin? And if I do, if I'm running the same codex as my partner, can his Inquisitor count as the required one?
Do Space Wolves need to field one HQ for each 750 pts? If so, are they required to field one for their 750, or two for the army's 1500?
etc.

Thank you for your reply.

We voted, you can't play. I will play my army alone, and emerge victorious!

Just cause no one will be your partner is no reason to taunt...

stjohn70 wrote:So my question in regards to the Team Tournament is:
Do you still have to follow Codex requirements? In other words:
Do Tau have to bring 1+ Commanders and 1+ Fire Warrior Teams?
Do IG have to bring one Infantry Platoon for each Armored Fist Squad?
Do I need to have an Inquisitor in order to bring an Assassin? And if I do, if I'm running the same codex as my partner, can his Inquisitor count as the required one?
Do Space Wolves need to field one HQ for each 750 pts? If so, are they required to field one for their 750, or two for the army's 1500?
etc.

Thank you for your reply.

Ahhhh, there are always a few exceptions to make things tough ; ) I'm going to answer these questions now, hopefully the decisions won't be too much of an issue for everyone.

Here are my answers for this one.
Yes you still have to follow Codex requirements.
Tau still have to bring 1+ Commander and 1+ Fire Warriors. If both players are playing Tau only one is required to bring a Commander, only one is required to bring Fire Warriors, so the combined army must have 1+Commanders and 1+ Fire Warriors.
Yep, one IG Platoon to bring an Armored Fist.
Yes, the army must have an Inquisitor to bring an Assassin. If you are running the same codex as your team mate then he could bring the Inquisitor and you cold bring the assassin.
Space Wolves are required to have an HQ choice for each 750 points. so the answers here are yes, one for 750 points, two for 1500 points.

I hope these help.

Cheers
Dave

Thanks for the quick reply!