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A pure GK army. Do DH inquisitors count? lol

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Land Raiders go at the ends, all the GK in the middle.

Inquisitors and retinue go inside the raiders, to prevent deep strikers.

They have meltaguns for drop pod dreadnoughts, which your GK cannot realistically hurt with their psycannons.

Yes, they'd have to get out to fire obviously. Dreads + GK = bad. Melta + Dread = good!

You can if you wish hide your regular GK and Inquisitors behind the LR, put the Termies inside, and run forward.

This isn't a pure assault army though, it's meant to take on enough armies that it's not a useless list against specific builds (like a pure GK assault army is).

The Raiders are your anti-tank, since they can fire lascannons at 4 different targets if they need to.

The incinerator and holocaust on every IC in the army is meant to give you a fighting chance against hordes.

Orks and Gaunts, in particular, get chopped up terribly by these powers.

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1750 Pts - Daemonhunters Roster - Grey Knights

0 Grey Knight Hero @ 390 Pts
Grandmaster
1 Grand Master @ [390] Pts
Holocaust; Nemesis Force Weapon; Add Grey Knight Terminators; Psycannon; Auspex; Psychic Hood; Sacred Incense; Terminator Armour
3 Grey Knight Terminator Retinue @ [163] Pts
Nemesis and Storm bolter (x2); Psycannon (x1)
1 Sacred Incense @ [10] Pts
1 Terminator Armour @ [0] Pts

2 Grey Knight Terminators @ 210 Pts
Nemesis and Storm bolter (x1); Psycannon (x1)
1 Brother-Captain @ [93] Pts
Nemesis Force Weapon; Psycannon; Auspex; Terminator Armour
1 Terminator Armour @ [0] Pts

1 Inquisitor @ 127 Pts
Holocaust; Incinerator; Emperor's Tarot
2 Mystic @ [12] Pts
Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon
1 Warrior @ [20] Pts
Veteran Guardsman
1 Veteran Guardsman @ [10] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Meltagun; Targeter
1 Warrior @ [20] Pts
Veteran Guardsman
1 Veteran Guardsman @ [10] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Meltagun; Targeter

1 Inquisitor @ 112 Pts
Holocaust; Incinerator
1 Warrior @ [20] Pts
Veteran Guardsman
1 Veteran Guardsman @ [10] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Meltagun; Targeter
1 Warrior @ [20] Pts
Veteran Guardsman
1 Veteran Guardsman @ [10] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Meltagun; Targeter
2 Mystic @ [12] Pts
Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon

1 Grey Knight Land Raider @ 250 Pts
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon

1 Grey Knight Land Raider @ 250 Pts
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon

4 Grey Knights @ 202 Pts
Nemesis and Storm bolter (x2); True Grit; Psycannon (x2)
1 Grey Knight Justicar @ [52] Pts
Nemesis Force Weapon; Storm Bolter; True Grit Hero; Auspex

4 Grey Knights @ 202 Pts
Nemesis and Storm bolter (x2); True Grit; Psycannon (x2)
1 Grey Knight Justicar @ [52] Pts
Nemesis Force Weapon; Storm Bolter; True Grit Hero; Auspex

Total Roster Cost: 1743

My personal philosophy is that the Inquisitors taint the list and therefore it is not a pure grey knights list.

DH are DH. I could say 'crap is crap' instead, ya know.

My personal philosophy is termies taint space marine lists...but that doesn't stop people from calling them 'pure space marine' lists, now does it?

I guess I could lose all meltaguns, all anti-deep strike, and take 1 unit of 4 GK termies with Holocaust for the fun that that is.

Woo. That'll be an awesome army.

At least it isn't a mix like my DH army is, right?

Stelek wrote:DH are DH. I could say 'crap is crap' instead, ya know.

My personal philosophy is termies taint space marine lists...but that doesn't stop people from calling them 'pure space marine' lists, now does it?

I guess I could lose all meltaguns, all anti-deep strike, and take 1 unit of 4 GK termies with Holocaust for the fun that that is.

Woo. That'll be an awesome army.

At least it isn't a mix like my DH army is, right?

Personal philosophies and weak excuses aside, this isn't what you might call a "pure" GK list. Terminators wouldn't taint a Space Marine list... they're space marines! Inquisitors are not GK. IMO, there are very few ways to do a pure GK build aside from spamming GK and 3 sniper dreads, or spamming LRs and squads of PAGK inside them.

I think that if whoever requested you to build this is happy, then it's good, but otherwise, I wouldn't consider this pure GK. I don't really like the list either, but that's just my taste.

That is what I play when I want pure grey knights. I just limit my selections to GK units only when I am going for a pure grey knights list.

Enjoy the box.

Well, here are my thoughts, debate on Inquisitors aside:

You only have 10 scoring troops models, and they're not protected by Land Raiders. Grey Knights might pack some decent offensive punch, but shrouding is unreliable and PAGKs will die just like regular space marines.

Also, with all those HQs, retinues, and elites choices, a traditional GK advantage in annihilation games, kill point denial, simply due to small numbers of squads, is lost, as all those HQs and elites offer kill points galore. I'm not saying the army won't be tough, but it simply doesn't have the model count to be effective against most 1750 point forces. I'd drop some of the HQs to beef up the PAGK squads, and maybe drop the multiple Holocausts and Sacred Incense as well.

So to make the list better in the 1/3 of games you see it having a problem with, you want to neuter it in the other 2/3?

Interesting.

Well, I wouldn't think that change would necessarily destroy its viability in objectives games.

The list simply needs some added survivability. The individual units are tough, but there are very few of them. Overall, it's a solid and non cookie cutter list.

GK do not have survivability, sadly. Anyone who gets close will shoot or assault you dead.

Adding 5 more GK won't change that, will it? I don't think so.

A full squad of GK is surprisingly difficult to kill. While it won't hold up under sustained shooting or assault, it won't die in a turn like a squad of 5 with psycannons would.

Again, shoring up the squad numbers is just a suggestion. Demonhunters in general are probably more of a fun army than a competitive one.

Burning Star IV wrote:

Stelek wrote:DH are DH. I could say 'crap is crap' instead, ya know.

My personal philosophy is termies taint space marine lists...but that doesn't stop people from calling them 'pure space marine' lists, now does it?

I guess I could lose all meltaguns, all anti-deep strike, and take 1 unit of 4 GK termies with Holocaust for the fun that that is.

Woo. That'll be an awesome army.

At least it isn't a mix like my DH army is, right?

Personal philosophies and weak excuses aside, this isn't what you might call a "pure" GK list. Terminators wouldn't taint a Space Marine list... they're space marines! Inquisitors are not GK. IMO, there are very few ways to do a pure GK build aside from spamming GK and 3 sniper dreads, or spamming LRs and squads of PAGK inside them.

I think that if whoever requested you to build this is happy, then it's good, but otherwise, I wouldn't consider this pure GK. I don't really like the list either, but that's just my taste.

Any comments on the list itself? Im thinking of running it

Stelek, if you think GK is crap, you don't know them well enough. Read this to start: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=101214&hl=Water+Warrior . Why are you having someone who doesn't know GK write a GK list?

Now then, not many GK armies work well besides pure GK mech armies. That means, Land Raiders/Rhinos, ect. Also, spend as little points as possible on characters, something Stelek didn't do. Your numbers will be small anyway, why worsen this on crappy inquisitors/Grand Masters?

I'd say 9-10 man GK squads in Rhinos/Land Raiders, or bust. Not really familiar with 3x Sniper dread lists, so can't say on it. Might be worth something, but I know this list will get pasted. Enjoy your fail if you use this list.

Stelek wrote:GK do not have survivability, sadly. Anyone who gets close will shoot or assault you dead.

Adding 5 more GK won't change that, will it? I don't think so.

Maybe 5 more wont, but its a step in the right direction.

Against GK's your enemy HAS to get close, they cannot outshoot you. At least they shouldnt be able to at 24". 5 more grey knights is 10 more bolter shots....or a couple less marines getting close to you.

A good PURE Grey Knight 1750 looks more like this....

HQ
Brother captain with psycannon
Stern (cheap forceweapon)

ELITE

5 terminators 2xpsycannon

TROOPS

6xPAGK targetter, psycannon bolts
6xPAGK targetter, psycannon bolts
6xPAGK targetter, psycannon bolts

HEAVY

GKLR w/ smoke
GKLR w/ smoke
GKLR w/ smoke

Not trying to pit the Inquisitor list up against this one, but I think the two lists are comparable in power. The inquisitor list has a couple meltas possibly mounted, but this list is 3 LR's at 1750 and has better ranged firepower....and its PURE Grey Knights.

This is the list I normally use, but you can trim it by scrapping Stern, losing a single PAGK off of each squad, drop the terminators down to 3 then add another terminator squad (with two more Psycannons). Personally, I like to use Stern.

HotSoup wrote:Stelek, if you think GK is crap, you don't know them well enough. Read this to start: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=101214&hl=Water+Warrior . Why are you having someone who doesn't know GK write a GK list?

This tactica changed a bit with 5th edition, its still good, but some of the points need modification for 5e.

Now then, not many GK armies work well besides pure GK mech armies. That means, Land Raiders/Rhinos, ect. Also, spend as little points as possible on characters, something Stelek didn't do. Your numbers will be small anyway, why worsen this on crappy inquisitors/Grand Masters?

Grand Masters with retinues are NOT crappy.....its a retinue, making the GM untargettable in Close Combat and suspending his 'IC' rule while he's accompanying the unit. Better than a 4+ invulnerable.

I'd say 9-10 man GK squads in Rhinos/Land Raiders, or bust. Not really familiar with 3x Sniper dread lists, so can't say on it. Might be worth something, but I know this list will get pasted. Enjoy your fail if you use this list.

You have to bring Stormtroopers to get those Rhino's. PAGK's in rhino's? I cannot do it, they wouldnt lower themselves. At least give them a Chimera for cripes sakes.

I don't think the inquisitor list is THAT bad....you just have to play it to more than the sum of its parts....it looks versitile to me.

@ HotSoup, you're constant attempts to bait me are pointless.

GK armies do not win Tournaments.

I could care less if you plow all your friends under with your mighty GK.

@ Deadshane: I guess it's just so obvious and so weak in 5th edition that I can't find myself recommending it to anyone.

Stelek wrote:
@ Deadshane: I guess it's just so obvious and so weak in 5th edition that I can't find myself recommending it to anyone.

Understandable...

Grey Knight fanboiz only need apply. Agreed.

I didn't mean anything bad by that.

A buddy of mine has a GK assault army he's playing with. It's a great paper army. Sooner or later, scissors is going to come ruin his day.

But he likes it, and that's really all that matters (although having an army that can beat some armies cold, is good).

Stelek wrote:I didn't mean anything bad by that.

A buddy of mine has a GK assault army he's playing with. It's a great paper army. Sooner or later, scissors is going to come ruin his day.

But he likes it, and that's really all that matters (although having an army that can beat some armies cold, is good).

Its pretty much totally true though, Pure Grey Knights are a very advanced difficulty level. You really have to be much BETTER at 40k in general than your opponent to win. At least thats my assessment.

No other army allows you such arrogance though. Yea, space marines are an army of warrior monks.....

....my grey knights are an army of Popes!

No, they don't usually win tourneys. They are Tier 3 armies, Tier 2 at the best of times. The point is, your army is worse then they normally are, so why do it. Check the tactica, you will find them less crappy. They CAN win tourneys, when played well and done right. Also, I don't play GK. Never have, never will, I don't find them a fun army to play.

Yea, it is a 4th ed one. Needs modifying, but the premise is solid, and a better idea than Stelek. IC spam doesn't really work, not in GK. You're right, they aren't crappy, they are good, but they are a point sink, and wasted in lower point games. Its hard for them to make up their points. I like your list a little bit more, but I would go a more PAGK, but I just like them more. Seems solid enough. I'd like more GK however. I also dislike Psycannons on PAGK, but it will do.

Deadshane1 wrote:

Stelek wrote:I didn't mean anything bad by that.

A buddy of mine has a GK assault army he's playing with. It's a great paper army. Sooner or later, scissors is going to come ruin his day.

But he likes it, and that's really all that matters (although having an army that can beat some armies cold, is good).

Its pretty much totally true though, Pure Grey Knights are a very advanced difficulty level. You really have to be much BETTER at 40k in general than your opponent to win. At least thats my assessment.

No other army allows you such arrogance though. Yea, space marines are an army of warrior monks.....

....my grey knights are an army of Popes!

Exactly. High difficulty level, it needs a good player, ect. Good thing 40k isn't such a broken game to where Tiers dictate everything. Its just more good players do not stick to GK, so they rarely win tourneys, they don't have a strong player base.

HotSoup wrote:No, they don't usually win tourneys. They are Tier 3 armies, Tier 2 at the best of times. The point is, your army is worse then they normally are, so why do it. Check the tactica, you will find them less crappy. They CAN win tourneys, when played well and done right. Also, I don't play GK. Never have, never will, I don't find them a fun army to play.

Winning RTT's is not winning tourney's. Thus far, PURE GK's havent won anything....ever, at least not in the U.S.

I also dislike Psycannons on PAGK, but it will do.

Those arent psycannons, they're psycannon bolts on a stormbolter weilding justicar. I think special weapons in Grey Knight squads are a total waste....with the POSSIBLE exception of incinerators... I'm building towards testing that out.

Man you make me want to run that stupid GK army with psycannons and land raiders. lol