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The original list I was sent was a very shooty list.

Shooty marines are not in good shape in 5th because all they can do is stand around.

That means CC armies will get to you, and they will make you cry uncle in short order.

I'm also loathe to tell people to buy anything since the new smurf book will be out in a couple months.

So I'll work with what you have, instead of having you buy anything.

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The Rhinos and everything in them are throw aways. If you can take an objective, great! If they just get to jump out and rapid fire, then get assaulted...great!

The rest of your list is solid as far as shooting goes--I don't favor Vindicators myself but if they die, so what? You aren't basing your whole list on them.

You do have a weakness to assault, so I've tried to minimize that by giving everyone counterattack and true grit. For the fools that charge you, if you pass your LD you'll hit back with the strength of an assault squad on the charge.

At 2500 points you do need anti-psychic defense, thus the Librarian.

He's more a cheerleader than anything. Use fear of the darkness defensively to throw back assault troops. Giving +D3 attacks to your Sarges helps.

Your land speeders should be grouped so you can focus fire into one enemy squad with the HF or the multimeltas but you can run them split if you want to.

I hope this is helpful.

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2500 Pts - Space Marines Roster

1 Epistolary @ 157 Pts
Frag Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Force Weapon; Might of Heroes; Psychic Hood; Fear of the Darkness
1 Jump Pack @ [20] Pts
1 Psychic Hood @ [0] Pts

9 Devastator Squad @ 325 Pts
Bolter (x5); Missile Launcher (x4); Tank Hunters
1 Sergeant @ [56] Pts
Power Fist (x1); Combi-Flamer; Tank Hunters; Terminator Honors

9 Devastator Squad @ 325 Pts
Bolter (x5); Missile Launcher (x4); Tank Hunters
1 Sergeant @ [56] Pts
Power Fist (x1); Combi-Flamer; Tank Hunters; Terminator Honors

9 Devastator Squad @ 325 Pts
Bolter (x5); Missile Launcher (x4); Tank Hunters
1 Sergeant @ [56] Pts
Power Fist (x1); Combi-Flamer; Tank Hunters; Terminator Honors

9 Tactical Squad @ 248 Pts
Bolter (x8); Meltagun (x1)
1 Rhino @ [58] Pts
Storm Bolter; Extra Armor; Smoke Launchers
1 Sergeant @ [18] Pts
Bolter

9 Tactical Squad @ 248 Pts
Bolter (x8); Meltagun (x1)
1 Rhino @ [58] Pts
Storm Bolter; Extra Armor; Smoke Launchers
1 Sergeant @ [18] Pts
Bolter

9 Tactical Squad @ 248 Pts
Bolter (x8); Meltagun (x1)
1 Rhino @ [58] Pts
Storm Bolter; Extra Armor; Smoke Launchers
1 Sergeant @ [18] Pts
Bolter

1 Vindicator @ 158 Pts
Demolisher Cannon; Storm Bolter; Power of the Machine Spirit; Smoke Launchers

1 Vindicator @ 158 Pts
Demolisher Cannon; Storm Bolter; Power of the Machine Spirit; Smoke Launchers

1 Vindicator @ 158 Pts
Demolisher Cannon; Storm Bolter; Power of the Machine Spirit; Smoke Launchers

2 Land Speeder Squadron @ 150 Pts
Multi-Melta (x2); Heavy Flamer (x2)

Total Roster Cost: 2500

Great list. I'd let each Rhino squad be led by a Vet Serg with bolter and power fist, since power fists are Dreadnought insurance.

How are you finding the missile launchers in V5 Stelek? I see you have a plethora in this list.

@ weustenfux:

You can, but I think since they'll be Rhino rushing...they really are just distractions for the enemy to play with while you blast marker him to pieces with the missiles and vindis.

@ jfrazell:

I've noticed that anything that says "S4, 48" range" is just deadly in 5E.

Mortars for guard, missile launchers for marines. It helps you get your torrent of fire capability up to match orks and eldar.

If you clump up and I hit, I hit alot. If you spread out and I miss, I still hit 2-3 guys.

What's not to like?

Plasma cannons are even better, but in general that's a Chaos (Oblits and EC) thing. I've seen a few Dark Angels builds with lots of plasma, but without a 2+ save and 2 wounds...they don't last.

cool.