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Honestly, I agree with sketchbook. People overlook the devastating (and yes I said it) effect of massed lasgun fire. One of the greatest memories I have is of a swuad of regular infantry with sharpshooter and a grenade launcher taking out a 7 man squad squad of possessed chaos marines. Another was of one of my Veteren Sergeant from my sedcond platoon holding up a full squad of scouts by himself for two rounds. guardsmen are exactly what they are supposed to be, human, and sometimes they can do amazing things. There is no disposable infantry.

Wow, such hostility for a group of people who should be enjoying a game. I was simply making my thoughts on the subject known, so try not to get all touchy about it. And I wasn't downplaying heavy weapons everyone, just to make a point, just trying to voice a seperate view on the subject as opposed to just agreeing, especially when I have a legitimate view. Now, to maybe make what I was saying more clear, I was just trying to say that while HW's do make a big difference in the army, the regular infantry is far from useless and shouldn't really be all that disposable. True, I haven't really had my ass handed to me yet in 5th ed., maybe it's luck, but with a good strategy and some know-how of the opposing army you can make quite an impression with your infantry, and your junior officers. Oh and wight, don't begin to act like you know about my situation, I've been gaming since 98, using guard, and yes that situation was in 4th edition, and it was incredibly lucky, as was the Vet Sgt holding off scouts. If my credibility is in question because you don't agree with me then maybe your credibility should be in question too.

I understand the sentiment my friend. I used to comanage a game store in Allentown PA for a while and they were always a pain in the ass when it came to everything, and that was before you got into reading new material. They chap everyones ass.