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For Kharne the Betrayer, his Blessing of the Blood God treats Force Weapons as normal Power Weapons. For Daemons, Blessing of the Blood God grants them "a 2+ invulnerable save against wounds caused by psychic powers or force weapons". My question is, if you do not attempt a psychic test to cause Instant Death, does a force weapon simply count as a power weapon or would they gain the save regardless? I pretty much know the answer, I just want to clarify with the community.

Well, since you appear to be trolling for an argument, I'll bite.

The demon player should encourage the player with the force weapon to take the psychic test if at all possible. After all, it's a 2 in 36 chance of causing a difficult to avoid wound on that model, and everything in that book is immune to instant death, anyway.

Whether or not that happens, it's a force weapon. You don't get to make it stop being a force weapon, so if it causes a wound, that demon gets a 2+ save.

I don't see any possible argument about Kharne's ability, which is completely different despite having an identical name.

All the Daemon version of Kharne's blessing does is to give an invulnerable save against wounds inflicted.

So if attacked by a force weapon the model with this ability would get to take an invulnerable save against any wounds inflicted by the Force Weapon.

In no way does this ability shut off the Force weapon's extra ability (although all Daemons are Eternal Warriors anyway, so the Force Weapon power does squat to them).

I wasn't trying to troll. What I meant (as others have discussed in regards to powerfists in 5e) was if the Force weapon could be simply used as a power weapon, since Daemons are all immune anyway. The in game concern is the fact that a GK Graaaand Master can walk up to a pack of Khornate daemons and they relish in a 2+ invulnerable. I wasn't sure if (since you wouldn't be attempting to Instant Death daemons anyway) the force weapon would simple act as and therefor count as just a power weapon.

Smashotron wrote:I wasn't trying to troll. What I meant (as others have discussed in regards to powerfists in 5e) was if the Force weapon could be simply used as a power weapon, since Daemons are all immune anyway. The in game concern is the fact that a GK Graaaand Master can walk up to a pack of Khornate daemons and they relish in a 2+ invulnerable. I wasn't sure if (since you wouldn't be attempting to Instant Death daemons anyway) the force weapon would simple act as and therefor count as just a power weapon.

The problem is that even if you wanted to just use the power weapon abilities of the force weapon, it's still a force weapon and the demon ability says that that demon gets that invulnerable save against that type of weapon, and doesn't qualify it any further.

On the bright side, it's completely safe to use force weapons against Skarbrand, bloodletters and bloodcrushers since they don't get that upgrade.

Questions about why that particular ability gives a save against the Grey Knight demon slaying weapons is a matter for a different forum, I suppose.

Thank you.