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2008/08/15 23:50:49
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Master Sergeant
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Does the lictor receive an additional +2 to its cover save if behind gaunts (which give any non-MC a 4+ cover save), thus giving a total save of 2+? The reason I ask is that the Tyranid codex says that "if the lictor is actually in cover, its Cover Saving throw is improved by +2". The issue is whether 'in cover' means strictly only things like area cover, or does 'in cover' also mean behind troops or walls that provide cover (putting the lictor essentially in cover and giving a cover save)?
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2008/08/15 23:58:14
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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the lictor does count as being in cove so yes
sweet terminator lictors
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2008/08/16 01:06:46
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Please post the rule in it's entirety.
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2008/08/16 01:30:21
Subject: Re:Tyranid Lictor
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Master Sergeant
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To clarify, the rule under Lictors in the Tyranid codex says the following: "A Lictor always receives a 5+ Cover Save, even in the open. If the Lictor is actually in cover, its Cover Saving throw is improved by +2 (to a maximum cover save of 2+), so for example it would receive a 3+ Cover Save in woods or jungles." Keep in mind the example given is based on woods giving a 5+ cover save, not the change in 5th edition. I believe the lictor should get a 2+ cover save when it is behind friendly units that provide it cover (the 4+ cover save), however I can understand gamers that interpret 'in cover' to mean physically in cover. Does anyone know if a FAQ or how knowledgeable tyranid players or warhammer demigods view this rule?
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2008/08/16 01:35:35
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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When you are behind another unit, you *are* in cover. The other unit is providing cover for you.
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2008/08/16 01:52:14
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Agreed. The lictor gets +2 to coversaves. The rule is just signifying the difference between that, and being in the open. (Otherwise TFG's might try to say that the lictors get 3+ in the open.)
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2008/08/16 12:34:48
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Yep, a lictor gets +2 cover save to whatever cover save they happen to have atm up to a max of 2+
If behind own troops or the shooter having to shoot through his own ranks the lictor gets a 2+ save.
4+ base "+"2 gives 2+ under the 5th edition rules.
Personally however I expect us to see a new nid codex soon, the current codex is heavilly tooled to the 4th edition rules and nhus does not work all that well under the 5th edition rules.
Lots and lots of junk have become usless and other stuff cause odd and definently not intended effects.
Thus enjoy the 2+ cover save lictors for as long as they excist, they will in all probability change in the next codex.
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2008/08/16 15:02:03
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I dont expect to see a Nid dex anytime in the next 2-3 years. It seems to work pretty damn well with 5E. I don't see any real issues at all.
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2008/08/16 18:47:59
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Tough Tyrant Guard
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ya first is definatly going to be space marines's codex then maybe after that tyranids will be updated but so far i havent come across a problem with my nids in 5th addition.
well only 1 problem but its not 2 bad
either lictor get 2+ cover save
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2008/08/16 19:51:26
Subject: Re:Tyranid Lictor
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Ventus wrote:so for example it would receive a 3+ Cover Save in woods or jungles.
Quick note here, it would be 2+ (4+ cover save - 2 = 2  ).
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2008/08/18 01:03:25
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Bloodthirsty Bloodletter
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Since we're talking about the lictors, has anyone heard if GW is going to add something in the FAQ for them so that they don't have to take the dangerous terrain check when they arrive, since they're required to DS into terrain?
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2008/08/18 01:41:39
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Fixture of Dakka
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If you roll a 1, the Lictor is taking a wound. Nothing you can do about it and I doubt GW will rule differently but you can hope.
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2008/08/18 17:49:38
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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You can DS onto impassable terrain.
Lictors are not Jump Infantry or Skimmers.
Those are the only units required to make checks on Impassable, but Lictors can land on it via DeepStrike.
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2008/08/18 17:55:10
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Fluff wise the lictor doesn't actually deep strike either it just pops out of hiding or beneath the ground.
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2009/01/22 15:15:21
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Fresh-Faced New User
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I sent the following question to the GW "RoolzBoyz":
"In the Tyranid Codex, it is clearly stated that a Lictor is deployed via a special rule called "Secret Deployment". Other units in the Codex enter play via tunneling or flying and are granted the special rule "Deep
Strike". Only the Lictor utilizes "Secret Deployment".
This rule is described by referencing modified Deep Strike rules, but the Lictor is clearly a "Secretly Deploying" unit, not a "Deep Striking"
unit.
Is a "Secretly Deploying" unit subject to the same terrain penalties (i.e. dangerous terrain and\or mishap table) as a "Deep Striking" unit (especially since it has no choice but to enter play in terrain)?
If a "Secretly Deploying" unit scatters over models deployed in its' chosen terrain, does it roll on the mishap table, or is it placed as close as legally possible (i.e. 1" away from the model) like it would when scattering outside the borders of the terrain?
Thank you in advance for you time."
It has been two weeks and I have received no reply.
In addition, it clearly states in the Secret Deployment rule that Lictors must enter via "area terrain". With the new definition of "area terrain", is it still possible to enter via "impassable" terrain? At the very least, it would have to be "area and impassable".
RE: new Nid list, I agree that the current Codex stands up pretty well under 5E (as long as you don't try to run with your spore mines). They gained as much as they lost. KP for spores is also a little controversial, but who really uses them anyway.
I am not starting to start a flame war, but I strongly disagree that RAW defines Lictors as "Deep Striking" units. Yes, they use a modified DS rule to enter play, but no where in the Tyranid Codex does it state that Lictors are granted the special rule "Deep Strike." In addition, there is no rule about Secretly Deploying units taking dangerous terrain checks, nor is there a "Secretly Deploying Mishap table."
By RAW, the Lictor is NOT a Deep Striking unit and is not subject too either dangerous terrain checks or the DS mishap table.
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2009/01/22 15:19:37
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Heroic Senior Officer
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todd, one of my armies is Nids, and I disagree. Our Lictors use Deep Strike to appear. There are limitations on that, primarily where they can land and limitations on their scatter. But it's still Deep Strike. Just as a Marine Drop Pod (which also has additional rules) is Deep Strike, and just as a Necron Monolith (which also has additional rules) is Deep Strike. The addition or modification of the rules does not remove the underlying rule.
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2009/01/22 15:27:43
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Both the Drop Pod and Monolith are explicitly granted the special rule "Deep Strike". The rule for Lictors is "Secret Deployment".
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2009/01/22 15:32:20
Subject: Tyranid Lictor
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