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The idea is for the large warrior squads to dump off the webways on turn 1 or 2, the archon, wyches, and grotesques to come through the webway, the 10 man warrior squads to lay down dark lance fire, and the ravagers dropping 3 str 7 ap2 blast templates per turn each. Will this be competitive in an Ard Boyz tournament? Any suggested tweaks?



1 Archon (HQ) @ 444 Pts
Agoniser (x1); Splinter Pistol (x1)
Shadow Field [25]
Combat Drugs [25]
Plasma Grenades [2]
Haywire Grenades [4]

6 Incubi Retinue @ [307] Pts
Torm. Hl. & Punisher (x6); Plasma Grenades

1 Drazhar, Master of Blades @ [90] Pts
Disembowler Blades

1 Raider @ [55] Pts
Dark Lance

3 Haemonculi (HQ) @ 135 Pts
Destructor; Scissorhand

7 Grotesques (Elites) @ 160 Pts

1 Raider @ [55] Pts
Dark Lance

9 Wyches (Elites) @ 263 Pts
Haywire Grenades; Splinter P. & CCW (x9); Plasma Grenades; Wych Weapons

1 Succubus @ [46] Pts
Agoniser (x1); Splinter Pistol (x1); Haywire Grenades; Plasma
Grenades; Wych Weapons

1 Raider @ [55] Pts
Dark Lance

9 Wyches (Elites) @ 263 Pts
Haywire Grenades; Splinter P. & CCW (x9); Plasma Grenades; Wych Weapons

1 Succubus @ [46] Pts
Agoniser (x1); Splinter Pistol (x1); Haywire Grenades; Plasma
Grenades; Wych Weapons

1 Raider @ [55] Pts
Dark Lance

19 Warriors (Troops) @ 236 Pts
Splinter Rifle (x17); Splinter Cannon (x2)

1 Sybarite @ [64] Pts
Webway Portal [50]

19 Warriors (Troops) @ 236 Pts
Splinter Rifle (x17); Splinter Cannon (x2)

1 Sybarite @ [64] Pts
Webway Portal [50]

10 Warriors (Troops) @ 100 Pts
Splinter Rifle (x8); Dark Lance (x2)

10 Warriors (Troops) @ 100 Pts
Splinter Rifle (x8); Dark Lance (x2)

10 Warriors (Troops) @ 100 Pts
Splinter Rifle (x8); Dark Lance (x2)

10 Warriors (Troops) @ 100 Pts
Splinter Rifle (x8); Dark Lance (x2)

1 Ravager (Heavy Support) @ 120 Pts
Disintegrator (x3)

1 Ravager (Heavy Support) @ 120 Pts
Disintegrator (x3)

1 Ravager (Heavy Support) @ 120 Pts
Disintegrator (x3)

Models in Army: 125


Total Army Cost: 2497

DE is competitive at the 2000 pts level, why not at the 2500 pts level. The list looks fine. Give the Succubi trophy racks; they saved my Wyches' lives several times.

I'd want to change out the Grotesques and Haemonculi for another unit of Wyches and the trophy racks, as wuestenfux suggested, but otherwise looks like a strong list. Dunno if all the Wyches need haywire grenades; I suppose it's useful if they get stuck in with a Dread (though in that case those should be your first targets with the Lances) or against a monolith or LR with Blessed Hull.

Grotesques are disgusting, you probably want to keep them. They basically auto break any combat you win. That's pretty huge.

Pete

With monolith spam being a very viable option that people will probably be showing up with, I'd keep the haywire grenades. Other than that, you got tons of darklances to deal with any vehicles that show up and lots of splinter fire and hand to hand to cut down everything else. Looks good.

Assuming you are not playing against one of the many fearless armies.

Well, I waited and waited to see if anyone would critique this list but no one has.

So I will.

I don't see this as being a very good list.

My 1750 could probably put this list away.

You are using WWP. That's a no-no at 2500 points, where you will see 40-80 shots across the board from the shooty armies.

You are using Warriors to try and take out vehicles, but not using vehicles to get yourself plasma templates (which now don't miss).

Nowhere near enough Wyches/Incubi to kill assault armies, and really not enough to take out gunlines due to counterattack.

All around, this army is bad. You aren't spamming Raiders, you aren't spamming assault elements...you aren't running nightshields or deep strike, and you are using WWP wrong.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Stelek is right and being nice btw. If that's all the models you have that's one thing but if not you need more wyches and IMO grotesques and Haemonculi just don't get it done as well as more wyches and another lord for the points. Vet players will look at your list before the game starts and figure out were/how to shut your portals down.

Right on. Do you fellas have any suggestions on how it could be improved?

The thought behind the haemonculi was that their destructors can do some good damage and they could assault in concert with the wyches.

I have 6 raiders, 3 ravagers, 3 talos, 8 bikes, 150+ warriors, 30+ wyches, a pack of warp beasts, some hellions, some grotesques.. unfortunately I have a small number of incubi, but I could try to scrounge up some more before the tournament

1 Archon (HQ) @ 453 Pts
Agoniser (x1); Splinter Pistol (x1)
Plasma Grenades [2]
Shadow Field [25]
Combat Drugs [25]

7 Incubi Retinue @ [320] Pts
Torm. Hl. & Punisher (x7)
1 Drazhar, Master of Blades @ [90] Pts
Disembowler Blades
1 Raider @ [55] Pts
Dark Lance

3x 9 Wyches (Elites) @ 223 Pts
Splinter P. & CCW (x9); Plasma Grenades; Wych Weapons
1 Succubus @ [42] Pts
Agoniser (x1); Splinter Pistol (x1); Plasma Grenades; Wych Weapons
1 Raider @ [55] Pts
Dark Lance

4x 10 Warriors (Troops) @ 100 Pts
Splinter Rifle (x8); Dark Lance (x2)

2x 9 Raider Squad (Troops) @ 176 Pts
Splinter Rifle (x7); Splinter Cannon (x1); Blaster (x1)
1 Sybarite @ [34] Pts
Agoniser (x1); Splinter Pistol (x1)
1 Raider @ [55] Pts
Dark Lance

5 Reaver Jetbikes (Fast Attack) @ 206 Pts
Splinter Pistol; Splinter Rifle (x3); Blaster (x2)
1 Succubus @ [61] Pts
Agoniser (x1); Splinter Rifle
#Reaver Jetbike [0]

3x Ravager (Heavy Support) @ 140 Pts
Disintegrator (x3)
Night Shield [20]

Models in Army: 114
Total Army Cost: 2500


Is this list any better? I dropped the haemonculi, webway portals, replaced the 20 man foot squads with 10 man raider squads, added wyches, reavers

Duuuuuuuuuuuuude......

444 pts for ONE guy? If he gets shot down, ur &*%$. Try getting rid of some of the upgrades you dont need, like ALL those grenades, and get another HQ, so if the first one dies, you have another back-up.

Well actually that number includes the incubi and drazar