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In a game this past weekend I fired a bunch of Blasts at an IG gunline. He had several units all stacked together. Several of the Blasts scattered into the surrounding squads. Quote from the book on page 30: "In these cases hits are worked out as normal, and can hit units out of range and sight..."

My opponent took the "worked out as normal" to mean that his units past the first one would get a cover save because if I was shooting "as normal" I would be firing through his first squad. I took it to mean no cover save and to just roll to would "as normal" and go from there.

My arguement is: What if I scattered out of line of sight? Would you ignore those hits because "as normal" I couldn't see the squad so I couldn't shoot them. No, you don't do that, you let the shots go through. So if you let me hit without needing line of sight, then you should let me wound without wanting a cover save.

My opponent is a good guy and we were both trying to sort out the details of the new rules. We both just read the rule a different way. Thanks for the "as normal" GW. I let him have the cover save and it didn't change the outcome of the game.

Anyone found a clear answer in the book that we missed?

Wildstorm wrote:So if you let me hit without needing line of sight, then you should let me wound without wanting a cover save.

Why? The rules say that the shot can hit units out of line of sight but does it say that they don't get a cover save?

It sounds like you played it correctly.

Shooting a non-barrage blast weapon:
Check LOS
Target the model/place the template
Check range, All good?
Ok, roll scatter.
Lets say it scatters.
Place template at new position
Check LOS to template from the firer.
Does the unit(s) the template hit have cover from the FIRER? If so, they get a cover save.


Shooting a barrage blast weapon:

Exactly the same, except the last 2 steps. Instead...
Check to see if there is cover to the units from the hole in the template. In this case the position of the firer means nothing.

Ghaz wrote:

Wildstorm wrote:So if you let me hit without needing line of sight, then you should let me wound without wanting a cover save.

Why? The rules say that the shot can hit units out of line of sight but does it say that they don't get a cover save?

The rules don't say anything about a cover save. Do you default to "yes they get one because they do not say no?"

"Note that it is possible...for a scattering shot to land beyond the weapon's range and line of sight, representing the chance of ricochets, the missle blasting through cover and other random chance."

Lormax wrote:It sounds like you played it correctly.

Shooting a non-barrage blast weapon:
Check LOS
Target the model/place the template
Check range, All good?
Ok, roll scatter.
Lets say it scatters.
Place template at new position
Check LOS to template from the firer.
Does the unit(s) the template hit have cover from the FIRER? If so, they get a cover save.


Shooting a barrage blast weapon:

Exactly the same, except the last 2 steps. Instead...
Check to see if there is cover to the units from the hole in the template. In this case the position of the firer means nothing.

That makes more sense to me. And after reading the Cover rules I see what Ghaz is getting at.

The Cover rules give them a save and the Blast rules to not counter that. Good, we played it correctly. Thanks guys.

Hey guys....

long time reader first time poster.

We had a similar scenerio a few days ago. Went over the rule book front to back to try to figue out what to do.

The words "Blasting through cover" and "Ricochets" hitting as "normal" lend to to the interpretation.

Blast Weapons/LOS Ordinance direct hit or hit after scatter.

Shooting through cover and hitting the target behind that same cover (even with scatter) = Cover Save
Shooting at target behind cover and hits target LOS = No Cover Save
Shooting at target LOS and hitting target behind cover = No Cover Save
Shooting at any target with centre of blast landing behind cover hitting units BEHIND THAT cover = Cover Save
Shooting at target behind cover and hitting target behind a different cover = No Cover Save

A direct hit though cover would be affected by that cover and that cover only. But seeing how the projectile "Ricocheted" and or "blasted through cover" the effects of a cover save do not apply to that shot anymore.

Thats what I make of it anyway.

So lets say I shot my vindy at a unit of firewarriors in cover *behind a fence or in a building* I measure from the center of the template and they would get no cover as theres nothing between them and the center?

jqbliss wrote:Hey guys....

long time reader first time poster.

We had a similar scenerio a few days ago. Went over the rule book front to back to try to figue out what to do.

The words "Blasting through cover" and "Ricochets" hitting as "normal" lend to to the interpretation.

Blast Weapons/LOS Ordinance direct hit or hit after scatter.

Shooting through cover and hitting the target behind that same cover (even with scatter) = Cover Save
Shooting at target behind cover and hits target LOS = No Cover Save
Shooting at target LOS and hitting target behind cover = No Cover Save
Shooting at any target with centre of blast landing behind cover hitting units BEHIND THAT cover = Cover Save
Shooting at target behind cover and hitting target behind a different cover = No Cover Save

A direct hit though cover would be affected by that cover and that cover only. But seeing how the projectile "Ricocheted" and or "blasted through cover" the effects of a cover save do not apply to that shot anymore.

Thats what I make of it anyway.

A) You are posting in a thread that has been dormant for nearly six months.
B) You haven't posted anything except your own opinions that aren't based at all on the actual rules.


For the most part, please do not post in topical threads that are more than 3 months dormant unless you have absolutely vital new information that you feel needs to be interjected into the conversation.


On this particular topic, as was covered in the initial exchange, blast and ordnance weapons do not have any exemption from the normal rules for cover and therefore they follow the same rules as presented in the rulebook.

ONLY barrage weapons have a special rule that dictates that cover is determined from the center point of the blast. All non-barrage blast/ordnance weapons do not follow this rule.


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