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2008/08/20 21:21:48
Subject: Daemons assaulting grey knights: Difficult terrain test == Assault at Ini 1?
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So when daemons charge grey knights, they must "roll dice for their assault range as if they were moving in difficult ground"
Does that mean that since they made a difficult terrain test, they now strike at ini 1? 
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2008/08/20 23:34:00
Subject: Daemons assaulting grey knights: Difficult terrain test == Assault at Ini 1?
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Yes (see p36, "if a unit etc.). I think most daemons will have some equivalent of frags, however, making the point moot.
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2008/08/20 23:42:31
Subject: Re:Daemons assaulting grey knights: Difficult terrain test == Assault at Ini 1?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Actually, most MC Daemons don't, and Daemonzilla is pretty common, and getting a chance to swing at them first regardless of terrain could potentially be a nice advantage with the number of str6 attacks Gks can produce.
Looking at the list, Stuff that doesn't have grenades standard:
All of Khorne (BTs, Skarbrand, Bloodletters, bloodcrushers, Fleshhounds
Some nurgle stuff, but they are all slow anyway.
All of the Tzeentch units ( though most aren't likely to charge anyway)
Soul Grinders don't
Daemon Princes of nurgle or slaanesh can get grenades for extra points.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/08/22 03:09:32
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2008/08/27 03:29:42
Subject: Daemons assaulting grey knights: Difficult terrain test == Assault at Ini 1?
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh
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"as if they were"
Not the same as doing it. Models moving through diff. terrain have their I reduced. They aren't, so don't.
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2008/08/27 06:55:51
Subject: Daemons assaulting grey knights: Difficult terrain test == Assault at Ini 1?
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Spellbound wrote:"as if they were"
Not the same as doing it. Models moving through diff. terrain have their I reduced. They aren't, so don't.
BGB pg 36:
"....if an assaulting Unit had to take a difficult or dangerous terrain test during their assault move, all of it's models have their intitiative lowered to 1 when attacking, regardless of other intitiative modifiers."
I would definitely say yes, they strike at I1.
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2008/08/27 06:59:48
Subject: Daemons assaulting grey knights: Difficult terrain test == Assault at Ini 1?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Again... god forbid that daemonhunters have an advantage against daemons. This can't be right!
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2008/08/27 18:30:14
Subject: Daemons assaulting grey knights: Difficult terrain test == Assault at Ini 1?
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I agree with Lordhat, per the rule given. In 5th it's not really about whether the defenders are actually in cover, it's about whether the attackers had to roll difficult terrain (ie: were slowed in their approach) on the way in.
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2008/08/29 18:43:16
Subject: Daemons assaulting grey knights: Difficult terrain test == Assault at Ini 1?
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Mannahnin wrote:I agree with Lordhat, per the rule given. In 5th it's not really about whether the defenders are actually in cover, it's about whether the attackers had to roll difficult terrain (ie: were slowed in their approach) on the way in.
Yup, I think this is worded this way specifically due to the now "reaction move" of 6" after getting charged as this can and often will pull the defenders away from their cover. So the way the rules are worded now, this matters not. Just that the charger/assaulter had to make a diff terrain roll.
-Jara
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