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This is a pure Deathwing list I'm trying out. I've had great results with an 1850 point version of this list, and I want to expand it for 'Ard Boyz.

C&C Welcome, thanks in advance.

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Belial - LCP

GK Grand Master - Incinerator

DW Termies - Heavy Flamer, Chainfist, 2 TH/SS (1 Apothecary & 1 Standard Bearer), 2 LCP

DW Termies - Heavy Flamer, Chainfist, 2 TH/SS, 2 LCP

DW Termies - Heavy Flamer, Chainfist, 2 TH/SS, 2 LCP

DW Termies - Assault Cannon

DW Termies - Assault Cannon

DW Termies - Assault Cannon

DW Termies - Assault Cannon

DW Termies - Assault Cannon

DW Termies - Assault Cannon

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The army is designed to Deathwing Assault. First turn I drop the five units - two shooty squads, three assaulty squads (which take up the Elite slots) with Belial and the GM tacked on to the squad with the Apoth and SB. Having 25 Terminators in your face first-turn is not fun, and with four more units on their way soon thereafter doesn't bode well for the enemy army either.

Anyway, tell me what you think. Strengths, weaknesses, and any holes you can punch in the list - whatever it is, let me know. I already am aware of the lack of antitank - the Chainfists, Power Fists, and Assault Cannons work well when they're being used in the numbers I've got them in.

CK

Hmmm AC's bounce off LR's, but then most LR firepower bounces off of Termies so...

I don't think it's necessarily bad by any means.

I'm just curious why you are DWA without a super unit to lead the way? Which only works at lower levels I think at 2500 people will smack that unit around.

In short, why don't you just AC everything and start all 9 on the board? No need to deep strike, just show up and go. You can easily do so, and if you want some extra firepower, bring some GK termies as your 2nd HQ with 2 psycannons.

Great unit to sit back and make sure you don't lose your objective.

Grey knight termies dont hold objectives.

I have been fooling arround with a deathwing army and am including a squad of grey knight termies so that I have something that will run over enemy termies (str6 at initiative)

I do agree that the heavy flamers should be dropped for more assault cannons. Unless you are always running those squads they will spend many turns out of flamer range with nothing to do.

I believe this list is very strong. Not only do you have alot of firepower, but deathwing assault will let you dodge your opponents opening round of shooting whether you go first or second. It will be very interesting to play this.

To do that list, don't you need to take Belial instead of the Grand Master. Otherwise, you have too many Elites. If you take Belial, then six of those are troop choices, and they can hold objectives.

Oops, didn't read the bottom. You have Belial.

My question is where do you plan on playing this? Most games are 1750 around me. You do get some folk going as high as 2000. But I don't run across 2500 point games. I get that it would be cool to have 9 squads of terminators. Just now sure how useable it will be.

I'm considering taking more ranged firepower in lieu of the Heavy Flamethrowers and Incinerator.

How would this work as a minor tweak:

Belial
Brother Captain - Incinerator

DWT - AC/CF, 2 TH/SS, 2 LCP
DWT - AC/CF, 2 TH/SS, 2 LCP
DWT - AC/CF, 2 TH/SS, 2 LCP

DWT - AC/CF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW, Apothecary
DWT - AC/CF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW
DWT - AC/CF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW
DWT - AC/CF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW
DWT - AC/CF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW
DWT - AC/CF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW

That gives me 2486 points. I need to find something to fill in the gap. What do y'all think?

CK

List looks good to me. What you might consider is moving the CF to a storm bolter termie for wound allocation purposes. You could also try mixing assault and storm bolter termies, again for wound allocation purposes.

Make the Apothecary carry the AC though.

I was thinking of suggesting the list change you just made. ITS DEADLY! and a very good idea.

i kinda want to play against it. looks fun.

I just dont see how your plan on dropping in at this point total. If your looking at getting mixed in with the enemy you going to find your self rolling on the mishap table a lot. Its a lot of termies but your going to find that at this point total people will have the guns to remove these units. If they nock out your troops and grab the objectives, your looking at trying to contest while still trying to kill the enemy.

Best of luck.

Why don't you drop two squad of Terminators and take 2 LRC. That way you can deliver a couple of squads into CC to really kick some butt.

If he does that hes going to have two LR on the board and thats it. 1000 vs like 2500 points and would give the enemy all the room they need to drop in on top of the tanks.

Bring the brother capt with a psycannon.

Drop the chainfists.

One thunderhammer per squad isn't needed, don't need two.

You aren't an assault army, you are an assault repulsing army.

So, go with as much shooting as possible.

The thing your GKT can do is ninja an objective (they do contest) by being out of line of sight.

They also crush MC where other termies fail to do so unless you make your invulnerable saves.

They can also bring in 6 psycannon shots instead of 4 AC shots. Good for weight of fire.

Just what I'd do to make the list more dangerous in my view.

Good points Stelek. I was thinking about the Psycannon Brother Captain, and now that you mention it, I think I would be better off dropping one of the Elite Slot DW Terminator Squads in favor of a second Brother Captain (chosen as an Elite Choice) with a Psycannon and retinue. I think the additional weight of 4 Psycannons will outdo anything a single Assault Cannon can throw out.

The Thunder Hammer saturation was built off the preconceived notion that the new Codex: Space Marines would be out, with a DA FAQ detailing 3+ Invulnerable Storm Shields, but now that I've realized that this is not the case, they will revert to Storm Bolter/Power Fist configuration.

45 Points of Chainfists is not worth it. Psycannon or a GK Terminator is much more worth it.

Here's the latest revision:

Belial
TAGK (4) - 2 Psycannon

TAGK (4) - 2 Psycannon
DWT - AC/PF, 2 SB/PF, 2 LCP
DWT - AC/PF, 2 SB/PF, 2 LCP

DWT - AC/PF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW, Apothecary
DWT - AC/PF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW
DWT - AC/PF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW
DWT - AC/PF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW
DWT - AC/PF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW
DWT - AC/PF, 3 SB/PF, SB/PW

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This is 2459. I can't figure out whether I want to take a bunch of Chainfists again to fill out my antitank, or if I should take a couple of Cyclone Missile Launchers to make room for another TAGK.

Let me know what you all think I should do with the remaining 41 points.

CK

"I've realized that this is not the case"
You've realized this how? Have they said anything about what the new FAQs?

I'm not going to hold my breath, but still.

How about taking a banner bearer? I dunno how many points it is to upgrade, but it could be useful in the right situation.

@MarvinGaye - the old SM codex will be used for the quarter and semifinal rounds, but the new one will be used for the final round.

Ah. Thanks for the clarification. Banners sound useful. I've never had a chance to use them in a DW army though. Points are always tight and possibly better spent on chainfists. The Grey Knights have decent wargear/powers to consider at all.

this is a ton of anti-personnel fire. I believe this will do well.

A banner could be good - as could - correct me if im wrong - taking a second holocaust on the BC for anti horde super spam. That way you could chuck the unit into 30 boys or gaunts and be sure that only you were leaving afterwards.