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Okay, I had a game on the weekend with my Blood Angels. There were two apothecaries, one of which was in a rhino. During the game they 'healed' quite a few failed saves, much to the annoyance of my opponent. Afterwards he had two questions regarding the tactic I was using;

1. Was I allowed to use the Exsanguinator (or any other special rule/ability, like Corbulo's Furious Charge buff) from inside a vehicle?

and,

2. Could I use it in both player's turn (so if I overheated a plasma weapon, the apothecary could patch him up)?

Here is the relavant rule from the BA codex:

"Exsanguinator: Once per player turn, a friendly model within 6" of a model with an Exsanguinator may ignore a failed save as long as the bearer is not Falling Back, in close combat, or Pinned. It may not be used against Instant Death or a close combat attack that ignores armor saves."

Any insight would be apprciated, so we can agree on the correct playing of it.

There is no GW ruling on this.

The model is "on" the table.

So until GW says otherwise, you can trace all such "effects" (like apothecaries, standards...anything that confers an ability on someone within X distance essentially) from a vehicle because there is no real way to do it another way.

GW should clarify this but who knows?

Its 100% legal, I myself keep Brotha C in a rhino and have him give FC and save models within 6"

What utter crap. Legal but still utter crap. I would not complain if an opponent used it, it is the fault of the rules not the player.

And on a side note you answered #2 yourself in your own quote, each player's turn.

Stelek wrote:There is no GW ruling on this.

The model is "on" the table.

So until GW says otherwise, you can trace all such "effects" (like apothecaries, standards...anything that confers an ability on someone within X distance essentially) from a vehicle because there is no real way to do it another way.

GW should clarify this but who knows?

I do agree that the abilites work, but the model is NOT on the table.

Hmmm.

P66: "When the unit embarks, it is removed the table and placed aside, making a note or otherwise marking that unit is being transported."

"If the players need to measure a range involving the embarked unit (except for its shooting), this range is measured to or from the vehicle's hull."

P67: "A unit that beings its Movement phase ABOARD a vehicle..."

"Effects of damage results on passengers".

You don't really need me to define what a passenger is, or what aboard means, do you? Please say no. lol

Bla_Ze wrote:

Stelek wrote:There is no GW ruling on this.

The model is "on" the table.

So until GW says otherwise, you can trace all such "effects" (like apothecaries, standards...anything that confers an ability on someone within X distance essentially) from a vehicle because there is no real way to do it another way.

GW should clarify this but who knows?

I do agree that the abilites work, but the model is NOT on the table.

The physical model doesn't need to be ON the table to be considered "on the table." If it's in play, it's "on the table," essentially.


Eric