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I had something come up in a recent game of 5th edition over Pinning with Ordnance weapons. It's brought up a few disagreements within my group, so I wanted to ask a few things to determine the correct perspective of the rules.

1) Ordnance weapons do not automatically count as Pinning?

2a) All Ordnance can be fired indirectly? This is an Ordnance Barrage?

2b) When fired indirectly (as Ordnance Barrage), then Ordnance counts as Pinning with a -1Ld?

3) A Hammerhead with LOS to a target will scatter 2D6-BS and not Pin, but a Hammerhead without LOS to a target will scatter 2D6 and Pin -1Ld?

Thanks for the help in advance!

1) correct, only ordnance barrage weapons do.

2a) No. Only weapons that are both Barrage and Ordnance are Ordnance barrages.

2b) Correct. Ordnance barrage weapons can choose to fire them directly (regular ordnance weapon) or indirectly (ordnance barrage). If they fire it indirectly then it causes pinning with a -1 to Ld.

3) No. A Railgun isn't even an Ordnance weapon.

1) Thank you.

2) Okay, the in-game problem was caused by firing a Battlecannon from a Leman Russ. I am not familiar with the IG codex but the player swore it was possible to fire indirectly and Pin -1 Ld despite it not being listed as Barrage in the references he used.

3) I was refering to a Railgun submuntion round. Which I now realize says "Large Blast only", my bad.

*edit* Can Ordnance weapons even fire indirectly at all, or must they also be Barrage?

2) No, Leman Russes cannot fire their Battlecannons indirectly. They are not 'Barrage' weapons, nor is their range prefaced by a 'G'

4) Ordnance can only be fired indirectly if it is a Barrage weapon; listed as Barrage or its range is prefaced by a 'G' in older books.

Ordnance has two modes; ordnance and ordnance barrage.

Ordnance must have LOS, scatters 2D6-BS, causes pinning. Target gets cover as though from direct fire (intervening models, etc). Can be fired after moving at combat speed (normally 6 inches)

Ordnance barrage weapons (may be stated as just a 'barrage' weapon) may fire fire as normal ordnance, or as a barrage weapon.
If it is fired as a barrage weapon, the pinning test is at -1. Cover saves are granted from the point of impatc (no 4+ cover save from interventing models, area terrain or walls between Point of impact and model). Can be fired at a target out of sight, but scatter full 2D6 then (BS doesn't affect a blind shot). The Tank cannot move berfore firing an ordnance barrage. However, it can move and then fire the weapon as a normal ordnance weapon.
The pinning test (for both modes) is taken as soon as casualties for that unit are removed. a 25% casualty check may then be taken at the end of the phase.
Hope this helps.

fireball900 wrote:Ordnance must have LOS, scatters 2D6-BS, causes pinning.

"Normal" ordnance doesn't cause pinning. Only barrage.

fireball900 wrote:Ordnance barrage weapons (may be stated as just a 'barrage' weapon) ...

Unless it's stated as an 'Ordnance Barrage' then it would not be. It would be a normal 'Barrage', such as an Imperial Guard mortar.

The disconnect here is that people don't realize that "Ordnance" and "Barrage" are two different traits. Weapons can be one, the other, or both.

Ordnance is a type of weapon, like Rapid Fire, Assault, Heavy or Pistol.

Barrage is a weapon characteristic, like melta, twin-linked, sniper, or rending.

"Ordnance; Barrage, Large Blast" is to the Whirlwind Multiple Missile Launcher as "Pistol; Gets Hot!" is to the Plasma Pistol.

FYI, the only unit in the Guard 'dex that can fire Ordinance directly or indirectly, as the player chooses, is the Basilisk, and that's only after paying the point for the upgrade. The Russ is direct fire only.

Also, the 'lisk firing indirectly has a minimum range of 36".

Exactly it must be listed as barrage or have the Gx (for guess x for range) this is the same as barrage .