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Somebody mentioned something as being a change in 5e, so I did some checking and I'm not quite convinced of the answer.

The Scorpion Exarch may be equipped with the Scorpion's Claw.
He's now equipped with a Chainsword (ccw), Mandiblasters, and the Claw (Shuriken Catapult and Power Fist.)
When he attacks, he has A2 + 1 (Mandiblasters)

Now the question is: did he lose an attack in 5e?
Since he was equipped with both the Chainsword and the Claw, he has two single-handed CCWs (which would have given him four base attacks), but the 5e rule for Power Fist now says that they forfeit their additional CC attack (unless they have two Power Fists, which he can't have), thus reducing his number of base attacks to three.

If this is the case, what is the point of him carrying a chainsword if he isn't able to use it? Did I miss something or might this be an oversight?

He can use the Chainsword instead of the Scorpion's Claw to attack at his Initiative interval. He can also upgrade to a Biting Blade for the same purpose.

DarthIbis wrote:

If this is the case, what is the point of him carrying a chainsword if he isn't able to use it? Did I miss something or might this be an oversight?

It's not an oversight, it's just a change in the game. The Exarch with a claw can't get the +1A for having two close combat weapons the same as any other model with a powerfist.


Edit: Actually Nurglitch, the rules now state that you must use a special close combat weapon if you have it, so the Exarch does *not* have the option to strike at his regular Initiative.

Yep, it looks like SS exarchs now fall under the category "Two Different Special Weapons" on page 42, which means they never get a bonus for two weapons.

It's still useful because an exarch might want to attack at I6 in order to go before some I2-4 models (although at only str4 and allowing armor saves). So he still has the option to use his chainsword instead of his fist.

Flavius,

See page 35 of the rulebook under "who can fight?".

Models must use their special close combat weapons now, so unless he has a biting blade (another special close combat weapon) he's not going to be able to choose between what Initiative value to strike at.

The Scorpion Chainsword is a special close combat weapon. It adds +1S.

Nurglitch wrote:The Scorpion Chainsword is a special close combat weapon. It adds +1S.

Ah, good point. My apologies.

chose if he uses the sword for his atack whit in6 than he hets +1 at for the blaster on the claw

quietus86 wrote:chose if he uses the sword for his atack whit in6 than he hets +1 at for the blaster on the claw

I don't think so, as the weapon on the claw is a Shuriken Catapult (not a Shuriken Pistol) and wouldn't confer the extra attack for two single handed weapons... would it?

So we have said that he can use either the Claw at I1 with no additional attack bonus, so A3 (A4 on the charge) or the sword at I6 also with A3/A4 since he's unable to attack with the claw.

That is correct. Power fists do not count as an extra CCW if using another special weapon.

ow I thos that was a pistol hell havend seen the codex eldar in ages

yakface wrote:

DarthIbis wrote:

If this is the case, what is the point of him carrying a chainsword if he isn't able to use it? Did I miss something or might this be an oversight?

It's not an oversight, it's just a change in the game. The Exarch with a claw can't get the +1A for having two close combat weapons the same as any other model with a powerfist.


Edit: Actually Nurglitch, the rules now state that you must use a special close combat weapon if you have it, so the Exarch does *not* have the option to strike at his regular Initiative.

Yakface, as a note, the Scorpion Chainsword is a Special CCW, as per the Striking Scorpion army list entry in the Eldar Codex.

EDIT: Whoops. Someone beat me to it.

I suppose 3/4 power fist attacks is still nothing to sneeze at.

DarthIbis wrote:

quietus86 wrote:chose if he uses the sword for his atack whit in6 than he hets +1 at for the blaster on the claw

I don't think so, as the weapon on the claw is a Shuriken Catapult (not a Shuriken Pistol) and wouldn't confer the extra attack for two single handed weapons... would it?

So we have said that he can use either the Claw at I1 with no additional attack bonus, so A3 (A4 on the charge) or the sword at I6 also with A3/A4 since he's unable to attack with the claw.

Interestingly I'm not sure this is true because of wording they chose to use in writing the 5th ed core rules, "+1 Two Weapons: Engaged models with two singlehanded
weapons (typically a close combat weapon and/or pistol in each hand) get an extra +1 attack." With the older wargear sections this would have been clear, as there were specific single handed weapon sections, but now it's a bit more questionable.

I've always played that PF are CCW, whether or not this is RAW, I do not know. IIRC, then the PF entry in the BGB simply says that you can't gain an extra attack with the powerfist unless you have another PF, but it says nothing about the Power Fist itself not being a CCW.

In the 4th edition of the rules you could use your special close combat weapon effect (Power Fist) or you could treat a weapon just as a close combat weapon.

In the 5th edition of the rules you must use a special close combat weapon, as Yakface notes.

Indeed, the rules specifically say that the Power Fist is not a close combat weapon by listing it as a special close combat weapon (See p.42, Rulebook).

So if a model is armed with a close combat weapon and a Power Fist, it must use the Power Fist and cannot gain the bonus from the close combat weapon.