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Hey guys was doing some research as to whether models in a transport are treated as on the table or not. This comes up with mystics in a land raider with their inquisitor. If a unit deep strikes near them and they are in the transport does the mystic allow the deep striking unit to be shot at if they are in the 4d6 range? (any unit within 12 inches of a inquisitorial retinue that has 2 mystics can shoot at a DSing unit.)

Specifically I can't find a page or rules reference that says they are no longer counted as on the table. (help here?)

I can find 3-4 examples where they are treated as on the table still but not directly mention as if they are on the table.
1) shooting from a transport
2) psychic powers on a transport
3) scoring units in a transport
4) chaos icons and how they function while in a transport.

Help! I was going to use this in Ard boyz but can't find a rules reference to let me do it! OR tell me I can't! :(

Keep in mind the Mystic Ability does not need LOS to the DSing unit to let another squad shoot at the DSing unit.

EDIT:
Found it on page 66.

The only thing that ever said that units in transports were 'off the table' was the old rulebook FAQ.

That FAQ is gone and with it that ruling.


That means models in a transport are treated as being in the transport. Page 66 tells you to measure from the hull of the vehicle for things that affect the unit inside.

So in your case, the Mystic's 4D6" range would be measured from the hull of the vehicle they are in.

I have a similar question. Say I have several chimeras holding a mix of armored fist, stormtroopers, and guardsmen, which I deploy loaded up. I informed my opponent what forces I had, and even offered him the army list, however I secretly recorded which troops were in which chimeras, for fear of him putting a railgun shot straight through the one holding my stormtroopers, officers, ect. He was not happy about this. Was I being rude, am I required to reveal the exact deployment of my forces?

Zanslev wrote:I have a similar question. Say I have several chimeras holding a mix of armored fist, stormtroopers, and guardsmen, which I deploy loaded up. I informed my opponent what forces I had, and even offered him the army list, however I secretly recorded which troops were in which chimeras, for fear of him putting a railgun shot straight through the one holding my stormtroopers, officers, ect. He was not happy about this. Was I being rude, am I required to reveal the exact deployment of my forces?

The rulebook doesn't care. Nearly every tournament is run "open list", with every unit's equipment & disposition known to your enemy, including which transport holds which unit. Most pick-up games tend towards the "open list" format, at least in my experience.

So if "measured" from the hull, does that mean abilities requiring base 2 base are treated as if touching the hull?
Example: Can an Mech in a trukk fix a battle wagon if the Trukk is touching the wagon?

Datajax wrote:So if "measured" from the hull, does that mean abilities requiring base 2 base are treated as if touching the hull?
Example: Can an Mech in a trukk fix a battle wagon if the Trukk is touching the wagon?

This is what I wonder too, I would love to start tossing webway portals over the side of my raiders. What about a model in a moving transport do they count as having moved (it says they do for shooting but how does this extrapolate if at all)

This affects my marines as well [for 1 more month anyway], as I wanted to run lots of Apothecaries for the 'Ard Boyz. Do they still function inside the transport?

So Doom or Guide would work from inside a falcon or wave serpent, but not mind war, since mind war specifies line of sight and that it's a shooting power?

Datajax wrote:So if "measured" from the hull, does that mean abilities requiring base 2 base are treated as if touching the hull?
Example: Can an Mech in a trukk fix a battle wagon if the Trukk is touching the wagon?

Base contact has nothing to do with measuring from the hull. The embarked models are on or inside the vehicle that is transporting them but are removed from the table for gaming purposes. So yes, if it is reasonable (to me) to say that the embarked models are in "base contact" with the vehicle they are riding in.

Besides, doesn't the Mek rule specifically allow them to fix the vehicle from within (I don't have the codex on me right now but that's what I seem to recall).

Drunkspleen wrote:

This is what I wonder too, I would love to start tossing webway portals over the side of my raiders. What about a model in a moving transport do they count as having moved (it says they do for shooting but how does this extrapolate if at all)

The model is onboard the vehicle so if the vehicle moved then I would most certainly the model counts as having moved.

Spellbound wrote:This affects my marines as well [for 1 more month anyway], as I wanted to run lots of Apothecaries for the 'Ard Boyz. Do they still function inside the transport?

If the effect has a range it is measured from the hull of the vehicle.

Krak_kirby wrote:So Doom or Guide would work from inside a falcon or wave serpent, but not mind war, since mind war specifies line of sight and that it's a shooting power?

Correct.

yakface wrote:

Datajax wrote:So if "measured" from the hull, does that mean abilities requiring base 2 base are treated as if touching the hull?
Example: Can an Mech in a trukk fix a battle wagon if the Trukk is touching the wagon?

Base contact has nothing to do with measuring from the hull. The embarked models are on or inside the vehicle that is transporting them but are removed from the table for gaming purposes. So yes, if it is reasonable (to me) to say that the embarked models are in "base contact" with the vehicle they are riding in.

Besides, doesn't the Mek rule specifically allow them to fix the vehicle from within (I don't have the codex on me right now but that's what I seem to recall).

I vote yes, a mechanic (Techpriest/techmarine etc) can fix vehicle A from inside vehicle B if A and B are in base contact, as odd as that sounds. Since models are now assumed to be in the same location as the hull of the vehicle they are in.

Krak_kirby wrote:So Doom or Guide would work from inside a falcon or wave serpent, but not mind war, since mind war specifies line of sight and that it's a shooting power?

Note that both Fortune and Eldritch Storm also works.
The only Farseer power that require LOS is Mind War.