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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/05 09:27:10
Subject: Skaven 2250 list
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Stormin' Stompa
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Here's my current general-purpose Skaven list, based around the models I actually have. It usually has a Grey Seer, but I wanted to try this for some reason...
Plague Priest gets 4x S10 attacks on charge if the Bands of Power go off - the engineers and storm daemon are there mainly to use up enough dispel dice that it can!
Actually most of my lists also have at least two Engineers. Ahem. If I put the BSB in the same unit of plague monks I'm adding a further +1 to combat resolution, and the Cautious Shield is deducting two attacks from opponents in base contact. As if T5 characters weren't hard enough to kill. It's disappointing when Plague monks fail to break their opponents, and this is exactly what I want to avoid.
It's just that the monks are unarmoured and the unit is so expensive... this can go wrong so easily.
I love my fast-moving Moulder units - they're great flankers, as if the rest of the army isn't fast enough. Rat Swarms are invaluable to the counter-attack-offensive tactics I use with my rats... obviously the plague monks are echeloned behind the front row of fodder to keep them out of charge range, and the Stormvermin are in a similar position, with the pistol-armed Warlock firing over the Ratswarm screen. Two clanrat units are the shoulders of the army, locking into combat with 4+ saves and hopefully staying there for long enough to get ogres into position. The slaves lead the charge, hopefully falling back as my clanrats move up into combat, and the plaguemonk counterattack comes straight up the middle. The prescence of the BSB should help to hold the middle of the army together - if the opponent can't concentrate their fire on it they're going to be in trouble, and all the while I'm trying to position those rat ogres into a flank charge.
I've only got four rat ogres though - need to pick up some plastics by the look of it - my others are the metal ones, and so much better looking IMO...
Warp Cannons are often ineffective, but I'm working on a conversion and have to use it a few times! I have eleven points to spare as well...
anyway, comment as you please.
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HEROES
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Plague Priest (GENERAL) (Plague Monks) 124
Bands of Power (25), Warpstone Amulet (25), Flail (4)
Warlock Engineer (Stormvermin) 145
Full Warlock Kit + Pistol (50), Storm Daemon (25), Dispel Scroll (25), 1 Warpstone Token
Warlock Engineer 145
Full Warlock Kit + nogun (40), Warpscroll (25), Dispel Scroll (25), 1 Warpstone Token
Chieftain / Battle Standard Bearer 99
Cautious Shield (25), Heavy Armour (4)
CORE
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20 Clanrats 145
Spears (20), Shields, Full Command (25)
20 Clanrats 125
Shields, Full Command (25)
20 Clanrats 125
Shields, Full Command (25)
+Ratling Gun 60
15 Stormvermin 145
Halberds, Heavy Armour, Full Command (25)
+Ratling Gun 60
25 Slaves 50
Hand Weapons
25 Slaves 50
Hand Weapons
3 Rat Swarms 135
4 Giant Rat Packs 120
24 Giant Rats, 4 Packmasters w/whips
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23 Plague Monks 209
Add. Hand Weapons (40), Full Command (25)
3 Rat Ogres 150
3 Packmasters w/ whips
3 Rat Ogres 150
3 Packmasters w/ whips
6 Gutter Runners (Tunnellers) 102
Poisoned hand weapons (12)
RARE
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Warp-Lightning Cannon 100
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 00:34:34
Subject: Skaven 2250 list
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Horrific Hive Tyrant
London (work) / Pompey (live, from time to time)
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IMO, get rid of the gutter runners (too expensive for the small ammount of damage they can do) and replace them with jezzails, much better for picking off annoying targets.
cut out the giant rat packs and add some more storm vermin to the unit, 15 is ok, but another rank bonus + more backup with them allways helps.
other than that i like the lst.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/06 02:26:00
Subject: Skaven 2250 list
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Stormin' Stompa
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I know I need more stormvermin... but I also need more models. Heh. Frankly I only use them because I paid for the models - I really need to find points to fit shields into the unit.
Three rat swarms are faster than twenty clanrats, get more attacks on the frontage, skirmish, don't break and can be shot over. I have taken rat swarms for many years and don't see a reason to stop. They might have rubbish attacks and toughness, but I drop rat ogres before I drop my 0-1 rat swarm. As I mentioned, they work in combination with the Warlock/storm daemon/pistol/stormvermin unit, that could really use an Umbranner... and charges late-game. The Warlock has possibly killed himself with Warplightning by this point, so the unit turns back into a normal heavy infantry squad. Shields are vital for 4+ vs. missiles, and possible 3+ in combat, so I need to find the points somewhere... An umbranner would be nice, but the plague monks would have it if anybody.
Gutter runners are paying for the ability to MAYBE appear somewhere on the battlefield. I usually skitterleap an assassin when I take a Grey Seer - but skaven need all the combat resolution they can get, and rear charges help resolution a lot even if they don't do damage individually. 4x5 night runners might be more worth it, but poisoned attacks are good insurance against high toughnesses - you can't do it all with just S3.
Against shooty armies Skaven can generally run down opponents better than most - but flyers can be a huge problem when they stay out of ratling gun and war-lightning range.
Just my comment on the spear-armed clanrats - the extra rank of attacks make a good difference. This unit is my 'arm holding spiked shield' - 5+ save is meh, but 11 attacks is good stuff for Skaven. It's good to get your charges in with Skaven, but this unit is a charge lure and is used as such. It deploys with the Plague monks, but moves ahead to screen them once the slaves have moved up. They key is marching it up so that the opponent can only get one charge into it, hopefully not breaking by remaining within BSB range, and letting Rat Ogre Unit Alpha perform its usual tactic whether they hold or not. The giant rats do this moderately well too - no armour but the packmasters add enough attacks to make the useful for a S3 unit. Even if they don't hold the charge, the ogres should be in countercharge position on at least one half of the battlefield.
I don't have any Jezzails... I have more warlocks though?
EDIT: My thoughts are going, 'Drop 2 rat ogres or the Warp-Lightning cannon. Take 4x5 night runners. Swap gutter runners out for 5 more stormvermin with shields, and an umbranner for the already overpriced plague monks.'
The unit+characters would then be worth 467 points, plus bonus VP for two standards.
My General, BSB and 23 wounds have a 3+ ward save against shooters. That's the liability.
General potentially puts out S8-10 hits, at least 4-6 if BoP don't go off. I'm always swapping between two hand weapons and the flail - S10 admittedly isn't as good in whfb as it is in 40K! 5x S8 hits is usually better than 3x S10... I'll see if the flail pays off for then the Band of Power don't.
BSB in front rank absorbs two attacks and has 4+ save... in rear rank lets through three more S3 attacks and banner still works. I think I might actually use Lead From Rear for the first time.
EDIT: Okay, I only have three mainstay units so I can have 7/7/6 night runners. Whatever.
EDIT: I've overlooked that BSB's can't have shields, so I'm going to restructure a little...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/07 16:59:43
Subject: Re:Skaven 2250 list
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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Personally I like 25 man Clan Rat regiments the enemy have to kill 5 to start knocking of ranks. I'd be tempted to drop the Stormvermin for this and give them all Guns. I really like Gutter Runners myself their invaluable for eliminating war machines. Another thing I'd add somehow would be Plague Censer Bearers their hard strong and tough and always worth considering.
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"But me no buts! Our comrades get hurt. Our friends die. Falkenburg is a knight who swore an oath to serve the church and to defend the weak. He'd be the first to tell you to stop puling and start planning. Because what we are doing-at risk to ourselves-is what we have sworn to do. The West relies on us. It is a risk we take with pride. It is an oath we honour. Even when some soft southern burgher mutters about us, we know the reason he sleeps soft and comfortable, why his wife is able to complain about the price of cabbages as her most serious problem and why his children dare to throw dung and yell "Knot" when we pass. It's because we are what we are. For all our faults we stand for law and light.
Von Gherens This Rough Magic Lackey, Flint & Freer
Mekagorkalicious -Monkeytroll
2017 Model Count-71
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/09/08 01:51:46
Subject: Skaven 2250 list
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Stormin' Stompa
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I'm always tempted to drop the Stormvermin too... But so few people have the models that it's worth seeing non-skaven players trying to get them off the table when they're not even that dangerous.
Gutter Runners are great for war marchines, of course. The standard tactic is to put your tunnelling counter between your opponent's warmachine array and let rip. This time I want to concentrate on restricting movement, and the night runners are an efficient way to restrict march moves and keep my enemy where I want them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/10/07 13:21:06
Subject: Skaven 2250 list
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Dangerous Leadbelcher
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bumb up your clanrats units to 25 it really makes a difference against units for outnumber etc. also you should split up the gutter runners into two units of 3 for if mishaps your only lossing just above 50 pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/10/08 00:46:09
Subject: Re:Skaven 2250 list
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Paramount Plague Censer Bearer
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I'd drop the Rat Ogres as they lack what makes Skaven strongest, that rank bonus to morale. They also tend to have their handlers shot to pieces really fast.
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Penetrating so many secrets, we cease to believe in the unknowable. But there it sits nevertheless, calmly licking its chops.
* H. L. Mencken, in Minority Report (1956)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2008/10/15 20:51:14
Subject: Skaven 2250 list
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Rampaging Reaver Titan Princeps
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I actually take a full regiment of 25 Stormvermin with Shields E-Bay is your friend.....At that size there an ok regiment. not great but not bad and the 3+ save in combat can be extrememly useful.
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"But me no buts! Our comrades get hurt. Our friends die. Falkenburg is a knight who swore an oath to serve the church and to defend the weak. He'd be the first to tell you to stop puling and start planning. Because what we are doing-at risk to ourselves-is what we have sworn to do. The West relies on us. It is a risk we take with pride. It is an oath we honour. Even when some soft southern burgher mutters about us, we know the reason he sleeps soft and comfortable, why his wife is able to complain about the price of cabbages as her most serious problem and why his children dare to throw dung and yell "Knot" when we pass. It's because we are what we are. For all our faults we stand for law and light.
Von Gherens This Rough Magic Lackey, Flint & Freer
Mekagorkalicious -Monkeytroll
2017 Model Count-71
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