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My first question is about the striking scorpion exarch's bitting blade. If I hit with it 3 times are all the attacks at S7, or is it the first is at S5 the second at S6 and the third at S7? My second question is about pathfinders. On a roll of a 5&6 to hit it's AP1, and on top of that when I roll to wound any normal hits get a second chance to get AP1 on a 6 via rending? If so thats sick! I apprecate any help anyone can give to clear this up for me.

oh and a thrid question is if i give the exarch of the striking scorpions the shadowstrike ability they get infiltate. Would I be able to mount them in a waveserpent and use them as an outflaking unit?

Ok, to answer your second question, the to wound roll results of a 6 are treated as AP2, never AP1.

Now to answer your first question, he attacks all 3 times at Str 7.

Actually, the codex rule says that it counts as AP 1, and as the codex is more specific, it supplants the AP 2 of the rending effect.

To clarify:

If you roll a 5 or 6 to hit, the shot is AP1 even if you roll a 6 to wound....and is effectively meaningless as AP1 and AP2 do the same thing versus Toughness.

If you roll a 3 or 4 to hit, the shot is only improved in AP if you roll a 6 to wound.

So the AP1 shot is only useful against vehicles, which require you to rend...and as the rules are written I'd say the shot is both AP1 and AP2 at the same time. Not that that matters either, since it only needs to be AP1 to gain +1 to the damage table.

All around, it all seems meaningless really.

Stelek wrote:So the AP1 shot is only useful against vehicles, which require you to rend...and as the rules are written I'd say the shot is both AP1 and AP2 at the same time. Not that that matters either, since it only needs to be AP1 to gain +1 to the damage table.

All around, it all seems meaningless really.

If you shoot at a vehicle you can't get AP2 as you don't roll to wound. A 6 on penetration just gives an extra d3 penetration, it does not modify AP.

On the biting blade, all would be at the same S, depending on how many times you hit.

Actually make Eldar Sniper Rifles quite naughty against Vehicles thanks to the Rending and Sniper. I think.

IIRC, Sniper Rifles give 2D6 Penetration, so the Rending would make it 2D6+D3...thats enough, providing you roll really, really spawnily to knack even a Monolith.

You know, the more I think about it, the more I am sure I've got the wrong end of the stick.

Living metal would change that sniper into 1D6 for AP, not 2d6 +d3. I think. It seems to me that exactly what living metal does in this edition is not fully set out yet.

Err, i thought snipers were changed to Str 3 and Rending, so you would only be rolling the standard one dice of penetration plus the str 3, plus rending.

Bradmammajamma wrote:oh and a thrid question is if i give the exarch of the striking scorpions the shadowstrike ability they get infiltate. Would I be able to mount them in a waveserpent and use them as an outflaking unit?

Yes

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Actually make Eldar Sniper Rifles quite naughty against Vehicles thanks to the Rending and Sniper.

Not really. Sniper rifles are strength 3 against armor. So you have to roll a 5-6 to hit, then a 6 on the armor pen. After that, you get an extra d3. So you end up with at 10-12 spread there with ap 1. Working out the mathhammer...

AV 10 = 2/6*1/6*1 = 1/18 or 5.6% to glance and 1/27 or 3.7% to pen
AV 11 = 2/6*1/6*2/3 = 1/27 or 3.7% to glance and 1/54 or 1.9% to pen
AV 12 = 2/6*1/6*1/3 = 1/54 or 1.9% to glance, pen is impossible

Not exactly steller comming from guys that are 24 points a piece.

Phoenix wrote:

Not really. Sniper rifles are strength 3 against armor. So you have to roll a 5-6 to hit, then a 6 on the armor pen. After that, you get an extra d3. So you end up with at 10-12 spread there with ap 1. Working out the mathhammer...

AV 10 = 2/6*1/6*1 = 1/18 or 5.6% to glance and 1/27 or 3.7% to pen
AV 11 = 2/6*1/6*2/3 = 1/27 or 3.7% to glance and 1/54 or 1.9% to pen
AV 12 = 2/6*1/6*1/3 = 1/54 or 1.9% to glance, pen is impossible

Not exactly steller comming from guys that are 24 points a piece.

Yeah pretty much a "only do this if you have nothing better to shoot at". At least they have the option Vs 4th Ed where they did not.

Well apart from my original question i sure as heck wouldn't be using them for tank hunting lol its more like marine killing.

Marine killing...... There's a better option for that...

Thought I was barking up the wrong tree.

Thanks for the clarifications!