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JimG wrote:Hmmmm...so if I use a Chooser of the Slain [Ed: Space Wolf Codex], which IIRC reads "If [one] is included in the army then enemy infiltrators may not deploy using their special rules unless they first roll a 4+. Units that fail must be deployed normally with the rest of the army." , infiltrators wouldn't be able to outflank without rolling? Seems logical, since the thing is like a recon drone, but figured I'd throw it out there before much gnashing of the teeth ensues.

How would that work?

id say they are infiltraters first before they are outflaking so the chooser would not allow them to out flank or infiltrat on a 4+. although this wouldnt efftect units with scout special rule.

you choose which units to deploy at the beginning of the game. units that you choose to keep in reserve are not deployed. since outflanking infiltrators are not deploying, they are comming in from reserve, Chooser of the Slain would have no effect.

if they were deployed at the beginning of the game using their infiltrate ability to deploy in an area of the table other than their DZ, and they failed their 4+ roll, they would have to deploy normally in their DZ.

Regwon wrote:you choose which units to deploy at the beginning of the game. units that you choose to keep in reserve are not deployed. since outflanking infiltrators are not deploying, they are comming in from reserve, Chooser of the Slain would have no effect.

if they were deployed at the beginning of the game using their infiltrate ability to deploy in an area of the table other than their DZ, and they failed their 4+ roll, they would have to deploy normally in their DZ.

The only reason they CAN Outflank is the Infiltrate rule allows them to do so. So if you can't deploy using their special rules, I think you're reduced to deploying "normally" (either in normal Reserves, or in your DZ).

No, having the infilitrate USR allows them to out-flank. Just because they can't inifilitrate in this scenario doesn't mean they can't outflank.

Why doesn't 'may not deploy with their special rules' not apply to Outflank? When coming on a short table edge, that is deploying, right?

"Enemy infiltrators may not deploy using thier special rules"

Going into reserves via Flanking is a deployment choice for units with the infiltrate USR. Therefore no infiltrate USR, no ability for that unit to use its Flanking.

Agreed, scouts still get to outflank.

Scouts as in "units with the Scout USR" not scouts as in "space marine scouts" (which only have infiltrate).

Yep, thanks!

dietrich wrote:Scouts as in "units with the Scout USR" not scouts as in "space marine scouts" (which only have infiltrate).

For a few more weeks, then Marine Scout units will have the Scoputs USR...........