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if a falcon has hovering base can the unit behind it see under it or through it? If it cant see through it , can i make the base higher?

As with all LOS, you bend over and have a look from the model's level.

If you can see your target, they have LOS.

There are no rules allowing you to modify the height of your bases. Make of that what you will.

thx. kinda cleared up my quesion

Also remember you are supposed to use the base provided with the model, so if you are planning to make your own bases, remember you might be called on it.

Either way, you will give whatever you are being shot at a cover save, since you are firing though your own unit.

Maxus wrote:Either way, you will give whatever you are being shot at a cover save, since you are firing though your own unit.

The cover save for firing through a unit only applies if the LOS runs between models in the intervening unit. The space underneath a falcon is not the space between models in a unit.

insaniak wrote:

Maxus wrote:Either way, you will give whatever you are being shot at a cover save, since you are firing though your own unit.

The cover save for firing through a unit only applies if the LOS runs between models in the intervening unit. The space underneath a falcon is not the space between models in a unit.

While that is true under Exceptions on pg 22 section on "firing through units or area terrain."

On pg. 21 about Intervening models "If a target is partially hidden from the firer's view by other models, it receives a 4+ cover save in the same way as if it was behind terrain."

the Intervening models takes precedence, because its not an Exception to the cover rules. The Exception quoted implies that you are shooting through a unit that has 2 or more models.

Otherwise i could sit a Baneblade in front of a unit and as long as i could partially see any opposing model, they would not give a cover save to my firing. But the reverse is true also.

If the proper sized base is used i cannot believe that the intervening model, in this case a falcon, wouldn't partially hinder the view, of any of the opposing units models, since its between it.

So adjusting the height on a flight base so you could see through it, just screams that the person is using modeling to try to take 'advantage' of a situation, where in this case, i cannot see the advantage, either both units get over, or both units do not get cover from the Falcon.

Insaniak never said anything about the models being obscured. He called you on stating that you would get a cover save for firing through a unit. While you might get a cover save from firing under a Falcon because you're obscured, you would not get a cover save simply because you're firing through a unit because you're not.

Ghaz wrote:Insaniak never said anything about the models being obscured. He called you on stating that you would get a cover save for firing through a unit. While you might get a cover save from firing under a Falcon because you're obscured, you would not get a cover save simply because you're firing through a unit because you're not.

Yes that is correct, I looked back, i misstated.


Although i cannot see how adjusting the height of the falcon in question would be worth it. Again it sound like trying to model to gain at least a perceived advantage.