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I have read the new SM codex, and I enjoy the concept of Pedro Kantor as a Commander (nice model, nice paint scheme for the chapter, nice bonuses, Sternguard as scoring units... woo!). I'm having some trouble with the format of my list though. I know I want Pedro and a Vanguard squad in a LR, and then basically go with Sternguard and Tac for the rest. My only problem is if I should mount up my Sternguard in Rhinos and go with special weapons, leaving my Tac in the backfield, or if I should have my Tac mobilized. I was thinking of 3 6-man Tacs with PF and a Lazerback, and then as many Sternguard as I could manage, or mounting up 2 Sternguard units in Rhinos and bringing up the rear with Tac squads. How would you guys suggest running them?

I would put Pedro in the LR and the tac squads in drop pods and use the SGVs (sternguard vets) as a firebase. The kraken bolts have 30". If anyone gets close, bust out the AP3 Gets Hot! rounds.

pakmans right about how you should use them as sternguard are longer range so you can sit them in your home objective and take out meq as the come

I would just kill everything.

Pedro Kantor
Honour Guard (8)
8 Relic Blades
-LRC (Unit Cost 705)

Tactical Squad (10)
Melta, Multi Melta
Vet Sgt -P.Fist
Rhino (Unit Cost 230)

Tactical Squad (10)
Melta, Multi Melta
Vet Sgt -P.Fist
Rhino (Unit Cost 230)

Tactical Squad (10)
Melta, Multi Melta
Vet Sgt -P.Fist
Rhino (Unit Cost 230)

Stern Guard (10)
10 Combi Meltas
Rhino (Unit Cost 335)
Army Total:1730


Certainly not the most efficient of builds but it should at least give you a framework to make a list from. If you are going to include a LRC I would always put an assaulty unit in it to make use of the assault ramps.

Pedro Kantor
175

10 Sternguard
Srg. w/ PF
2 Missile Launchers
285

10 Sternguard
Srg. w/ PF
2 Missile Launchers
285

10 Tac
Srg. w/ PF
Flamer
Missile Launcher
195

10 Tac
Srg. w/ PF
Flamer
Missile Launcher
195

7 Dev
2 Missile Launchers
2 Multi-meltas
182

7 Dev
2 Missile Launchers
2 Multi-meltas
182

There's a shot at a list. Lay it on me, people.

Totally not how Sternguard should be used.

Devs can't combat squad.

You're making me cry bud.

Leave the tacs to hold the line. Combat squad your heavy weapon tacs around your objectives. Let them be the firebase.

Use the Sternguard as a 10-man drop pod objective taker. I'm going with a heavy flamer, combi-melta x2 and vet w/ pf (2 squads). This load-out should be able to deal with all-comers. With their special ammo, they can rapidfire whatever is on the objective and clear it upon dropping, next round seize the objective, then use it as a new firebase. Meanwhile, your other combat squads are advancing to provide support.

My Kantor version:

Kantor

Sternguard 2x10 w/ heavy flamer, combi-melta x2
Vet w/ pf
Drop pod

Tac 3x10 w/ flamer, lascannon
Vet w/ pf
Razorback

200+ points to spend

This will be my base for the scoring missions. The remaining 205 will be build to suit.

Just made a list like that in another topic. Have a look at it.

Grt. Pim

dornsfist wrote:Leave the tacs to hold the line. Combat squad your heavy weapon tacs around your objectives. Let them be the firebase.

Use the Sternguard as a 10-man drop pod objective taker. I'm going with a heavy flamer, combi-melta x2 and vet w/ pf (2 squads). This load-out should be able to deal with all-comers. With their special ammo, they can rapidfire whatever is on the objective and clear it upon dropping, next round seize the objective, then use it as a new firebase. Meanwhile, your other combat squads are advancing to provide support.

My Kantor version:

Kantor

Sternguard 2x10 w/ heavy flamer, combi-melta x2
Vet w/ pf
Drop pod

Tac 3x10 w/ flamer, lascannon
Vet w/ pf
Razorback

200+ points to spend

This will be my base for the scoring missions. The remaining 205 will be build to suit.

Whoa. I just realized that you could take Razorbacks no matter what the squad size.
That makes things way easier.

Neat, but not built correctly IMO.

Right. Either everybody drop podded or transported in Razorbacks/Rhinos.

Then build it for us Stelek!

Sorry, you cannot expect that Stelek builds an army for everyone if he thinks its not correctly built.

I did earlier this week on my blog.

It isn't a Kantor army (because it isn't how I'd run Sternguard).

http://yesthetruthhurts.blogspot.com/2008/09/first-marine-army-of-death.html

Here's two sample lists, one based off of dornsfist's principle and one based off of Stelek's list on his blog.

Dornsfist's:

Pedro Kantor
175

10x Sternguard
Srg. w/ PF
2 Heavy Flamers
2 Combi-meltas
Drop Pod
350

10x Sternguard
Srg. w/ PF
2 Heavy Flamers
2 Combi-meltas
Drop Pod
350

10x Tac
Srg. w/ PF, Combi-flamer
Flamer
Lascannon
Lazerback
290

10x Tac
Srg. w/ PF, Combi-flamer
Flamer
Lascannon
Lazerback
290

10x Tac
Srg. w/ PF, Combi-Flamer
Flamer
Lascannon
Lazerback
290

SGV Drop pod in, and the Tacs combat squad. Lascannon sits back, Srg. and Flamer move with the Razorback. Pedro bums a ride in one of the DPs.

Stelek:

Pedro Kantor
175

9 Sternguard
Srg. w/ PF
2x Heavy Flamer
4x Combi-melta
Drop Pod w/ Deathwind Launchers
345

10 Sternguard
Srg. w/ PF
2x Heavy Flamer
4x Combi-melta
Drop Pod w/ Deathwind Launchers
370

10 Sternguard
Srg. w/ PF
2x Heavy Flamer
4x Combi-melta
Drop Pod w/ Deathwind Launchers
370

10 Tac
Srg. w/ PF
Flamer
Multi-melta
Drop Pod w. Deathwind Launchers
240

10 Tac
Srg. w/ PF
Flamer
Multi-melta
Drop Pod w. Deathwind Launchers
240

Basically, drop in and blow the enemy to hell.

Don't want Kantor in a maxed out sternguard heavy army. You really don't. Stubborn = fail.

Inspiring Presence=Win. I didn't really like the whole Stubborn thing anyways, but inspiring presence, scoring Sternguard, and a decent statline and weaponry made me go for him. What's so wrong with stubborn though?

Dornfist's army contains a mix of Lazerbacks and drop pods. I'd replace the drop pods by Lazerbacks, or vice versa, as this will dilute enemy shooting.