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How do you defeat a Mech Eldar Army with at least seven Eldar Tanks? 5 Wave Serpents (20 Dire Avengers, 10 Guardians, 10 Fire Dragons, 1 Farseer, 8 Warlocks), 2 Fire Prisms, 1 Falcon (5 Harlies, 1 Yriel), 9 Jetbikes to be exact.
I know a guy that is using one in Ard Boyz. I want to know the weaknesses to his list. How do you beat this many tanks with any army?

Depends on what army your playing

rcm2216 wrote:How do you defeat a Mech Eldar Army with at least seven Eldar Tanks? 5 Wave Serpents (20 Dire Avengers, 10 Guardians, 10 Fire Dragons, 1 Farseer, 8 Warlocks), 2 Fire Prisms, 1 Falcon (5 Harlies, 1 Yriel), 9 Jetbikes to be exact.
I know a guy that is using one in Ard Boyz. I want to know the weaknesses to his list. How do you beat this many tanks with any army?

The same way you beat any tank heavy army. Use Meltas and lascannons on the holo-fields, and autocannons and assault cannons on the serpents. They all are weak on the rear armor, and can be assaulted pretty easilty. The list only has 1 punchy HtH unit, and only 3 scoring units, making it vulnerable to getting out scored in an objective mission.

Also, remember to set up your units so that they have interlocking fields of fire. It sounds trite, but you don't want to leave any units out where the Eldar can pounce but where you can't punish them for it.

foxwolf wrote:Depends on what army your playing

I said with any army, but lets say your army. I personally play space marines and Eldar myself. I wonder if I buy some more tanks, if a Mech list can beat another Mech list.

Okay.. I hope you all don't mind me putting my two cents in.

I play Mech Tau and Mech Eldar. Mech Eldar is fast and very robust due to holo fields. The one great thing about mech Eldar is that the troup Transports are as good as tanks. They can be have the lance and be true tank killers. The true eldar tank killers are Vypers with Bright lances and use the transports as fire support with MIssle Launchers or SCC. They way to beat Mech Eldar is get the troups out of the tanks. Use flankers with meltas or dev squad with lascannons. you will need at least 2 in the squad because of the holo shields. The other way is Melta grenades and ye old power fist. The only problem is that when you do that you will get cc groups coming out of the vechicle and assaulting the fists. Eldar army is a fast hitting good armored army. But they have a major flaw. Not many inv saves and T 3. If they do not kill on the assault and have to fight it out. They have a tendancy to die. I will be honest

1. have tank poppers. get the troops out of the tanks
2. Template them on the ground. They have bad inv saves and are t 3.
3. Never let Eldar assault. you assault them

Space Marines.

1. Fast Tank poppers to counter Eldar speed.
2. Dev Squads.
3. Assault squad the big tanks but be carefull. Falcons can hold banshees and pheonix lord.
4. Templates Templates, Templates...

Sorry my typing is sometimes bad


Astalado

rcm2216 wrote:

foxwolf wrote:Depends on what army your playing

I said with any army, but lets say your army. I personally play space marines and Eldar myself. I wonder if I buy some more tanks, if a Mech list can beat another Mech list.

with space marines: predators with lascannons on high ground work well agianst eldar tanks focus on the serpent with the fire dragons first that way they cant strike at your tanks with meltas
then work your way down on the threat scale if you focus fire then even with holofields they will eventaully roll a five or a six. personally I play black templars so my statagey against mech lists is to put a vunerable untit on the flank just out of the range of the guns that way they have to move towards that unit to get in range then when there exposed I pod in behind them with power fists and melta bombs and after the tank is killed I move from cover to cover to the next tank.

with eldar: I play a mech eldar list my self And my favoured tactic against other eldar mech lists is to hunker up in a small well covered area and wait for them to come to me that way I can bring all the fire power in my army to bear on them before they can fire.

hope that helps

LOTS of autocannons work wonders against skimmers. Four ACs can put out 8 str 7 shots; enough to down any skimmer.

This army used to be top tier because so few shots could hurt the tanks and they were immune to hth attacks. Now that skimmer moving fast turned into cover and you attack rear armor in hth, don't forget any basic marine with a krak grenade hurts a skimmer like if he had a power fist in the old edition. Typically, the thing you don't want to do is isolate your units so he can pick them apart. Mech Eldar is all about brutal speed and putting your firepower in one place at one time. Do'nt let him play his game and you'll be fine.

TO be honest, at 1500pt I wouldn't understimate the power of 4tac squads w/lasplas + some counter Cc units in a castle in a kill points mission. They all get cover saves, there 50 of the bastards and you can't wipe them all out in one turn.

IN objectives its easy pickings
Spread the objectives out
Pounce with entire army one group
Pounce with entire army next group
etc

Check out the battle report between me and shep. Unit placement and movement becomes more important. If you keep him moving he can't shoot. Have units in place to punish him when he decides to slow down to shoot. Remember that there are times when running will be better than shooting, even with a shooty list.

Ok OP, I'm an eldar player and i'll let you in on the secret to killing eldar tanks. Don't bother to try too hard ... hit every one once so they can't shoot and aim at some thing else, you'll get lucky sooner or later and killem ... if you can charge and you're S:4+ or have grenades you will happliy kill the tank (and if you can block the rear as well then the units gona be pin for a turn as it emergency disembarks) oh and energy fields don't work in cc so its much easier

I love eldar tanks but to use them i need to make sure you're not going to be shooting at them ^_^ ... biggest trouble for you will be getting the fire prism since they're never out of range

... since you're a SM player a land speed are a real pain as they can deep strike behind the enemy line and shoot at the rear armour ... the scout speed sounds even worse as people being transported can shoot at another target (armour 10 dies against bolters rapid firing)

Cheese Elemental wrote:LOTS of autocannons work wonders against skimmers. Four ACs can put out 8 str 7 shots; enough to down any skimmer.

Yep. Autocannons and Missile Pods are great for taking on the Holo Field. Strip them of enough weapons and/or immobilize them is how we used to deal with them. Mass fire that can hurt is better than a single Lascannon/Railgun shot when going against these things.

Remember these words, mon-keigh scum: "Shake and move on."

Indeed, concentrating your troops in hard cover is a good idea. Don't try to match or beat the at the mobility game- that's like trying to outshoot Tau. Multishot medium strength weapons help you with the shaking. One or two mobile units (landspeeders, another Eldar tank with scatterlaser, whatever) to worry the Eldar player about his rear armor will cut down on his ability to harry you with impunity.

Once you get the hang of it, the army's intrinsic advantages are lessened.

Tri wrote: oh and both the holofield and energy field don't work in cc so its much easyer

Holofields *do* work in close combat. The rule says it works "any time your opponent rolls on the damage table."

Energy fields you're right about.

... you're completely right ... don't know why i grouped them together...