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Flipping through the new Marine Codex I read over the Scout Bike pages, and the Locator Beacon is worded nice and broadly for some interesting interpretations.

"If a unit wishes to arrive on a battlefield via deep strike and chooses to do so within 6" of a model carrying a locator beacon, then it won't scatter." -p67.

Going by this wording, then any unit that arrives via deep strike can use the beacon, friendly or not. Am I missing something? A blanket rule that prevents this somewhere?

A typical Dakka thread, if I ever saw one.

Yes, it seems that RAW say that.
Wether you will get away with it during a game is another matter.

As a general rule, GW has consistently rules that an army cannot make use of enemy equipment/abilities. For example, Nids vs Nids, they do not get the benefit of each other's synapse. So I would say no.

Don Mondo, I totally agree. And further assert that the codices must be written with that intent.

Do you have an actual quote anywhere that would help support this?

I think the actual quote came from my FLGS when someone tried doing exactly that...

"yes.. go ahead and use my beacon... oh... your A@# can also be used as place to put my shoe"

I would like an actual hard-copy ruling of this as well.

I know that this sort of thing first appeared with the Monolith being able to teleport your opponent's Necrons through the portal and then kill them because they can't get out.

I think they made a blanket statement saying you could never use your opponent's wargear/equipment, but I can't find the actual ruling anywhere in writing.

There is no such blanket rule.
Some rules affect both armies such as the named bloodthirster out there.
The only example i can think of of the top of my head is the fantasy demon banner that makes all demons stuborn. GW ruled it does affect the enemy's demons as well.

That being said, using your opponent's gear when not allowed is prety beefy. Perhaps it is a good counter to the guy who moves his doors multiple times during the game.

Teleport homers could have been used in this way in 4ed as well. I think icons have a similar problem. Adding the word friendly, as they do in so many other cases, would have cleared this up nicely.

I don't think it can be done. If a locator beacon were useable by other armies wouldn't it have to be by definition a Universal Special Rule? Being as its not I believe it only applies to the army defined in that codex.

So, the fact that the rules for Epidemus SPECIFY it counts for both armies doesn't give an indication of an exception?

It's not worth getting in a dither. If someone tried it fry them with hot plasma love.

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Jeebus, what do you have to smoke where that sentence looks like the opposing army can use locator beacons?

The fact that is says "any unit"....

You think that means any unit whatsoever, regardless of which side it is on, and which player controls it?

I don't, but that's where the debate is coming from. It says "any unit", so it must mean any unit. I don't agree with that, because it's never been ruled like that, but that's the sloppy writing of GW that opens the doors for abuse.

Where did they make the ruling that the Monolith can't transport your opponent's Necrons if he's playing them as well? That's the golden reference for this debate.

What about units from other games? I play at a gaming store and many other players are playing games at the same time as me.


If I use my space marine scout locator beacon what do I do when the Chaos player 3 tables down decides he wants to join our game and place his unit of deep striking Bloodletters into our game?


How can I prevent this abuse?

Please exscuse me I am a new player and don't understand all of the rules. It does say any unit.

Hollismason wrote:What about units from other games? I play at a gaming store and many other players are playing games at the same time as me.


If I use my space marine scout locator beacon what do I do when the Chaos player 3 tables down decides he wants to join our game and place his unit of deep striking Bloodletters into our game?


How can I prevent this abuse?

Please exscuse me I am a new player and don't understand all of the rules. It does say any unit.

WIN!

Aduro wrote:WIN!

I'll second this.

Nurglitch wrote:

Aduro wrote:WIN!

I'll second this.

Ill third it.

edit: Forget it, nothing I say can trump the win of Hollismason.

Hollismason wrote:What about units from other games? I play at a gaming store and many other players are playing games at the same time as me.


If I use my space marine scout locator beacon what do I do when the Chaos player 3 tables down decides he wants to join our game and place his unit of deep striking Bloodletters into our game?


How can I prevent this abuse?

Please exscuse me I am a new player and don't understand all of the rules. It does say any unit.

Regardless of the hint of win coming from this...... I'm completely blown out by this little tidbit. :S

And some wonder why tigers eat their young.

Back on topic, as I asked before:

Does anyone know where they ruled on the Monolith thing about teleporting enemy Necrons?

So far as I'm aware, they never did.

There have been a whole bunch of things that work in a similar fashion over the years, an I don't think that GW have ever bothered to actually clarify that they only work for the army that brings them along to the battle, since it's just generally assumed that that's how they work.

The closest you'll get is the clarification in the Inquisition FAQs on the WH/DH Inquisitor/Death Cultist combo, which points out that the rules in one book don't carry over to other books' units, even if they have the same name.

This is the same thing. When you build an army, the rules that apply to that army apply only to that army, unless specifically stated otherwise. Nobody else gets to use your equipment just because the rules don't say they can't.

As long as you come to help me... you can use my beacon.

Hollismason wrote:What about units from other games? I play at a gaming store and many other players are playing games at the same time as me.


If I use my space marine scout locator beacon what do I do when the Chaos player 3 tables down decides he wants to join our game and place his unit of deep striking Bloodletters into our game?


How can I prevent this abuse?

Please excuse me I am a new player and don't understand all of the rules. It does say any unit.

Either this is the most witty bit of online sarcasm I have ever seen or the most idiotic.

cypher wrote:There is no such blanket rule.
Some rules affect both armies such as the named bloodthirster out there.
The only example i can think of of the top of my head is the fantasy demon banner that makes all demons stuborn. GW ruled it does affect the enemy's demons as well.

That being said, using your opponent's gear when not allowed is prety beefy. Perhaps it is a good counter to the guy who moves his doors multiple times during the game.

That model you reference also has his power specificly state that it applies to all models, friend and foe, so that's a bad example.

RAW might technically allow the opponent to use it, but by RAI the opponent cannot.

Play it in a mutually enjoyable way for all players involved. That is, have fun everybody.

Utan, while I agree with the sentiment, your post is pretty pointless here. This is THE PLACE to argue about rules. "You Make Da Call" is specifically about arguing it out.
So don't bring your cuddy puppy crap about everyone getting along all up in here. We are hard book banging boys! WE WANT TO KNOW! If blood must flow, so be it!

Definitely not. Not only does it say under the fluff for the item that it uploads the info to the Astartes battle net, but it hints to your reserves specifically in its context.

And like Mondo points out, you can't pull tricks like teleporting your opponents Necrons out of your monolith.

so why cant my chaos marine terminators hack into the battlenet, or my tau doing the same thing?