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One other thing came up during the game

I shoot at a unit of Plague Marines, I kill enough models that the opposing player removes models but ends up out of coherency to save his melta gunners from dying. Is that legal and where can I find that in the book it says nothing in the casualty removal.

Yes, it's legal. There is no requirement to remove casualties so that coherency is maintained. You simply need to move them in the following turn to get them back in coherency. (Page 12)

thanks for the help

this works against, say, tactical marines, or imperial guard. Say the IG players' infantry platoon takes 6 casualties, removing them such as to keep both his plasma gun and his lascannon alive, but breaking coherency. Bad news bears, you get to do the coherency shuffle and therefore cannot fire your lascannon at all, or your plasma gun out to 24".

Granted, you'd be semi-mental to put rapid fire/heavy weapons that far apart in a squad as logically they were deployed for a particular firing lane, but still. These things do come up.

It sounds wrong. He would not really have the choice to save his melta gunners unless you did less wounds than there are standard rank and file guys. Otherwise he would have to allocate.

It's safe to assume that yes, he did in fact deal out less than the squad count of wounds.


7 plain marines, 1 sarge, 1 flamer, 1 missile launcher.

he can take 7 wounds from any unit of firing, without having to allocate any wounds beyond the plain bolter marines. Say he took 11, however, then he's going to be smart and allocate 8 wounds to the plains, 1 to the sarge, 1 to the flamer, and 1 to the missile launcher.

This is part of why the torrent of fire style offensive is becoming more effective, (in addition to the ever-present cover saves), as it begins to force people to take saves on their hidden models.

here's an IG example, firing on a devastator squad in cover.
plasma gun, 1 shot at 20" away: 0.5 hits, .4167 wounds, .2083 dead
multi-laser, 3 shots at 20" away: 1.5 hits, 1.25 wounds, .4167 dead

twice as deadly, even though you're going from S7 AP2 to S6 AP6.

Good catch Alex (Gee... you are smart )

There is no 'choice' here when removing the models. If he did not allocate unsaved wounds to the melta/LC, then they can't be removed anyway.
If he did allocate unsaved wounds to the melta/LC, and they failed, they would have to be removed.

Defense, in your first example, if he took 7 hits, he could put them all on the plain marines, but again, all loses would *have* to come from the marines. It isn't a matter of 'saving' the melta at that point.