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Ok, i picked up the new SM codex yeasterday, wanting to build a White Scar themed army.

So i sat down and worked out my basic line of 1 HQ 2 Troops.

HQ
Kor'sarro Khan
Moondrakken
205 PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 5 Bikes
2 Plasma Guns, 2 Bolt Pistols, Combi Plasma for the Sergeant
180PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 5 Bikes 1 Attack Bike
2 Meltagun, 3 Bolt Pistols, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta
210PTS

Troops
Tactical Squad - 10 Marines
Flamer and Missile Launcher
Drop Pod
205 PTS

Troops
Tactical Squad - 10 Marines
Flamer and Missile Launcher
Rhino
205 PTS

Now if i am correct that is 1005 points. Now the question is, what to add? I was thinking Scout Bikes, Speeders with Meltas, Command Squad on bike and if needing heavy weapons, a lascannon pred or 2? I do want to try to keep it as mobile as possible though.

if your doing the white scars thing, you should spam maxed out bike squads. 8 bikes, 1 attack bike w/ multi melta. the nice thing about these bike squads, is with a melta gun, the attack bike, and either a powerfist or melta bomb, they can fulfill any battle feild role. maybe a vindie, or a thunderfire cannon, would be good support, but i would say minimum 4 bike squads. just my take, good luck.

Hi Im Dr.Zaius and I a new player as well. I posted above my 1500 point list under newbie. For what it is worth I think a command squad is critical to exploit the special characters special ability of hit and run. I also just learned that razorbacks can be purchased for tac squads which are full strength and then divided in order to exploit the khans special deployment tactic.
Send me a note and maybe we can exchange information or tactics/ how our forces worked.

Dr.zaius wrote:Hi Im Dr.Zaius and I a new player as well. I posted above my 1500 point list under newbie. For what it is worth I think a command squad is critical to exploit the special characters special ability of hit and run. I also just learned that razorbacks can be purchased for tac squads which are full strength and then divided in order to exploit the khans special deployment tactic.
Send me a note and maybe we can exchange information or tactics/ how our forces worked.

I'm not exactly new to 40k, just new to marines. I normally play chaos daemons. So i was looking for input on building a good White Scar army for myself and then work on a Salamanders army for my brother (he likes the idea of the thunderfire cannon).

I thought about the Thunderfire cannon but it seems overpriced for a one shot and your gone piece of artilllery. I know White Scars are hard up to win in the new rules because of the Horde armies but it is fun to try.
Zaius

It looks like a good list, but I think that the sarge in the attack bikeless squad should have a power weapon.

That is my basic core selection, i was wondering about the last 700 odd points on what i should put into the army.

What would be the best bikes? SM Bikes or DA Ravenwing bikes?

games workshop offers a white scars upgrade bits pack for bikes, and their is a white scars commander upgrade bits pack

For the cost of one of those bike squads you and working out some points you can probably add a Command Squad with power weapons.

Taking advantage of Khans furious charge is probably the best thing

I was planning on using that The reason i asked about the DA bikes is i can get the ravenwing box set for most of my bikes

HQ
Kor'sarro Khan
Moondrakken
205 PTS

HQ
Chaplin
Power Fist
Digital Weapons
Space Marine Bike
160 PTS

HQ
Command Squad
Company Standard
Space Marine Bikes
Lightning Claws (For 4 Vets)
280 PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 5 Bikes
2 Plasma Guns, 2 Bolt Pistols, Combi Plasma for the Sergeant
180PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 5 Bikes 1 Attack Bike
2 Meltagun, 2 Bolt Pistols, Combi-Melta for the Sergeant, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta
220PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 5 Bikes
2 Plasma Guns, 2 Bolt Pistols, Combi Plasma for the Sergeant
180PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 5 Bikes 1 Attack Bike
2 Meltagun, 2 Bolt Pistols, Combi-Melta for the Sergeant, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta
220PTS

That is 1445 points at the moment. 27 Tough 4(5) bikes.

Choices are as follows to fill in points

Fast Attacks
Land Speeder
Multi-Melta, Assault Cannon
100 PTS

Land Speeder
Multi-Melta, Multi-Melta
80 PTS

Land Speeder
Flamer, Multi-Melta
70 PTS

Land Speeder
Flamer, Assault Cannon
90 PTS

Heavy Support
Predator
Twin-linked Lascannon
Lascannon Sponsons
165 PTS


Troops
Bike Squad - 5 Bikes
2 Plasma Guns, 2 Bolt Pistols, Combi Plasma for the Sergeant
180PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 5 Bikes 1 Attack Bike
2 Meltagun, 2 Bolt Pistols, Combi-Melta for the Sergeant, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta
220PTS

Troop
Tactical Squad 10 Men
Flamer, Missile Launcher
Rhino
205 PTS

Troop
Tactical Squad 10 Men
Flamer, Missile Launcher, Power Fist
Razorback - Lascannon and Twin-linked Plasma gun
270 PTS
(Combat Squad so the flamer and commander in Razorback and missile squad is deployed in some terrain)

The tactical Squads don't really fit in with a bike army.

I'd beef up the Bike squads to 8 bikes and add Attack Bike squadrons and Scout Bike squadrons.
The Cmd squad should include an Apothecarius.
Landspeeders are a bit out of place as are Rhino and Razorback squads.

HQ
Kor'sarro Khan
Moondrakken
205 PTS

HQ
Chaplin
Power Fist
Digital Weapons
Space Marine Bike
160 PTS

HQ
Command Squad
Apothecary
Company Standard
Space Marine Bikes
Lightning Claws (For 4 Vets)
280 PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 8 Bikes
2 Plasma Guns, 5 Bolt Pistols, Combi Plasma for the Sergeant
255PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 8 Bikes 1 Attack Bike
2 Meltagun, 5 Bolt Pistols, Combi-Melta for the Sergeant, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta
295PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 8 Bikes
2 Plasma Guns, 5 Bolt Pistols, Combi Plasma for the Sergeant
255PTS

Troops
Bike Squad - 8 Bikes 1 Attack Bike
2 Meltagun, 5 Bolt Pistols, Combi-Melta for the Sergeant, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta
295PTS

that is a total of 1745 points

I'd replace the Chaplain by an Attack Bike squadron: 3 Attack Bikes with multimelta.
The rest looks very good.

I lkike speeders personaly, but when i go bikes I use ravenwing so really not much diffrence I can find. Other than my bikes can have a speeder escort.

Anyone got any other advice for me?

I'd drop the combi plasma's and find points for pf's in on my sergeants. just an opinion

Freaky Freddy wrote:Anyone got any other advice for me?

Playtesting...

wuestenfux wrote:

Freaky Freddy wrote:Anyone got any other advice for me?

Playtesting...

i would if i could, but as you know GWOZ is somewhat expensive to buy the mini's. and i don't have a credit card or paypal account to get minis from US or UK

OZ prices for just the bikes
Space Marine Bike Squadron (3 models)

AU$65.00

Space Marine Bike (1 model)

AU$18.00

Space Marine Attack Bike MK2

AU$35.00

I appreciate your effort to buy only the models needed. But now its definitely time to buy and playtest...

Well, you could always proxy. Use WHFB cavalry models or something. Since money is tight, that's probably the best way to playtest.

tzeentchling wrote:Well, you could always proxy. Use WHFB cavalry models or something. Since money is tight, that's probably the best way to playtest.

that would work if A) i had a WHFB army with cavalry models or B) If i could borrow someones with enough cavalry models. Unfortunately at my LGS no one has more then 9 cavalry models, and there are only 2 with them, and im not on good terms with one of them

Bit of a fluffy city fight list

HQ
Kor'Sarro Khan 160 Points
Moondrakkan 45 Points
205 Points

HQ
Command Squad 115 Points
Space Marine Bikes 90 Points
4 Lightning Claws 60 Points
265 Points

Troops
Tactical Squad 90 Points
5 Extra Boys 80 Points
Rhino 35 Points
Flamer Free
Missle Launcher Free
205 Points

Troops
Tactical Squad 90 Points
5 Extra Boys 80 Points
Rhino 35 Points
Flamer Free
Missle Launcher Free
205 Points

Troops
Bike Squad 90 Points
5 Additional Bikes 125 Points
2 Melta Guns 20 Points
Attack Bike 40 Points
Multi Melta 10 Points
285 Points

Troops
Bike Squad 90 Points
5 Additional Bikes 125 Points
2 Melta Guns 20 Points
Attack Bike 40 Points
Multi Melta 10 Points
285 Points

Troops
Bike Squad 90 Points
5 Additional Bikes 125 Points
2 Melta Guns 20 Points
Attack Bike 40 Points
Multi Melta 10 Points
285 Points

Sorry to dig up an old thread, seemed a better idea then posting a new one though.

HQ

Kor'sarro Khan
Moondrakken

Libarian
Bike

Command Squad
Company Champion
Standard Bearer
Apothecary
Lightning claws for the two vets
Bikes

Troops
Bike Squad - 8 Bikes 1 Attack Bike
2 Meltagun, PF for the Sergeant, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta

Troops
Bike Squad - 8 Bikes 1 Attack Bike
2 Meltagun, PF for the Sergeant, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta

Troops
Bike Squad - 8 Bikes 1 Attack Bike
2 Meltagun, PF for the Sergeant, Attack Bike w/ Multi-Melta

Fast Attack
Speeder - Multi Melta, Heavy Flamer

Fast Attack
Speeder - Multi Melta, Heavy Flamer

Fast Attack
Speeder - Multi Melta, Heavy Flamer

What do you think?