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Hey all a buddy of mine is starting a SM army but doesn't want to be smurfs or DA and wants to make his own chapter, so could he use the chapter traits in the old dex and would they still be viable so he can have his own flavor of marines? Thanks in advanced for any input.

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Gareth

If he's using the new Marine Codex, then no, he can't use the rules from a different codex... at least not for anything other than friendly games where his opponent has agreed to it.

What traits does your mate want? He could take one of the named special characters that gives him the traits he wants and give him a new name. That's pretty much the whole point of the new special character system.

I've never really understood this... Eldar have tons of craftworlds but guess what, rules wise they're all the SAME. Really what matters is paint scheme, fluff and which units your Chapter/Craftworld favors.

As cheezsta pointed out, just take a specific character and call him by a different name or if your chapter does not have access to say termi suits, don't use them, etc etc.

-Jara

Thanks for the input and as far as traits I don't really know what he would want I think he would want something like blessed be the warriors and honour your wargear just from the talks I had with him. Eh, oh well, kinda sucks that most other non specialized chapters are now copy/pastes of the smurfs now just with different colors.

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Gareth

Read p. 127 of the new dex "ultramarine and other special characters"

Red_Lives wrote:Read p. 127 of the new dex "ultramarine and other special characters"

So according to that page one could even field Tigurius as the chapter librarian and just change his name correct?


Later
Gareth

Yep, change names, do whatever. Some of the old traits can be re-created by taking characters and/or limiting selections.

Yeah... the remarkably flexible chapter Trait system has apparently been superseded by the five-choice special character system...

The trait system was open for abuse; it's better for balance that it goes by the wayside.

I liked taking See But Don't Bee Seen and Cleanse and Purify...then I would take Eye to Eye and my drawback because I never used Land Speeders.

I also miss Blessed be the Warriors. Taking 6 assault squads was one of my favorite lists to play. But now you can only take 3. If only VGVs counted as Elites instead of Fast Attack.

In my opinion, they made this latest Marine codex Codex: Ultramarines. Half the special characters are Ultramarine. Too shooty for my tastes, honestly. I think I'll stick with my Eldar, because at least with them I can get a little more flavors than just Vanilla.

Most people took whichever Trait they liked, and for their "disadvantage" they took the one that disallows allies... unless you NEEDED to run Daemonhunters or Witch Hunters, that's not really a disadvantage.

Jaradakar wrote:I've never really understood this... Eldar have tons of craftworlds but guess what, rules wise they're all the SAME. Really what matters is paint scheme, fluff and which units your Chapter/Craftworld favors.

As cheezsta pointed out, just take a specific character and call him by a different name or if your chapter does not have access to say termi suits, don't use them, etc etc.

-Jara

Do you really forget Codex: Craftworld eldar so quickly? back in 3rd edition each of the 5 major craftworlds had their own special rules, if I remember correctly, Biel-Tan had any aspects available as troops, Iyanden could take BOTH wraithguard and wraithlords as troops, saim hann swapped their troops slots and fast attack slots on the FOC around but lost 2 each from elites and heavy support. Alaitoc got a special elite ranger choice (I think they were like the new pathfinder upgrade) and had to take 2 ranger squads, and ulthwe had some special guardians and seer councils and restricted aspects.

This is exactly the same sort of stuff that the traits system for 4th ed space marines offered, probably even more so.

pakman wrote:
I also miss Blessed be the Warriors. Taking 6 assault squads was one of my favorite lists to play. But now you can only take 3. If only VGVs counted as Elites instead of Fast Attack.

Then why not use the BA rules?


It's pretty clear that the new codex steers away from a few army types to leave a bit of uniqueness in the other marine codices.

The Jump Pack army was left for Blood Angels while the all the Terminator army was left for Dark Angels.


When you combine all 5 marine codices and the options available in the marine codex via special characters there really are a ton of unique marine army styles to choose from.

What you could do with the new codex is to create your own chapter and let it be led by a character like Kantor so that your army benefits from Kantor's special ability (combat tactics).