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2008/10/08 08:44:09
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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From Codex: Space Marines:
God of War: MArneus Calgar can choose whether to pass or fail any Morale check he is called upon to make. Whilst Calgar is on the table, all units with the Combat Tactics special rule can also choose whether to pass or fail any Morale check they are called upon to take.
Chapter Tactics: If you include (Special character) then all units in your army exchange (or lose) the Combat Tactics special rule for (listed benefit). If more than one character in your army has the Chapter Tactics rule, you must choose which version will apply.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems to mean that you can't take Marneus with a Special Character from a different chapter and use GoW 'universally'; The other character's Chapter Tactics rule takes precedence.
Am I missing something?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/10/08 08:44:42
Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2008/10/08 08:48:40
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Murfreesboro, TN
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Yeah, Marneus + other CT-replacing character = no GoW for anyone, since Marneus depends on Combat Tactics to get the effect of his own ability.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/10/08 09:29:17
As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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2008/10/08 10:07:06
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Stealthy Space Wolves Scout
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He can still GoW himself even without combat tactics.
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In one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 6", kill a few guys with his flamer, assault 6", kill two more guys with his bayonet, flee 12", regroup when assaulted, react 6", kill one more guy with his bayonet and then flee another 12".
So in one game turn an Imperial guardsman can move 42" and kill more than 5 people. At the same time a Chimera at top speed on a road can move 18"... |
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2008/10/08 19:16:26
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Murfreesboro, TN
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Nope, read GoW; it requires that he retain Combat Tactics, and the other characters replace Combat Tactics, so he won't have it.
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As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Member of the "No Retreat for Calgar" Club |
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2008/10/08 19:39:45
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Regular Dakkanaut
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The first sentence looks it applies for himself without Combat Tactics. Hm. I'll have to go home and check if he has Combat Tactics.
Anyway, Marneus is not unstoppable. There're some interesting weaknesses, like this one.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2008/10/08 19:42:09
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2008/10/08 20:09:04
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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There's a decision flowchart that could make the point moot.
If your opponent is using Marneus AND he is using another special character:
Is the game an Apocalypse game? If "Yes" then make up any old house rule you want to resolve the situation. It's Apocalypse so it doesn't matter.
If "no" then your opponent is a D-bag for using 2 legendary chapter masters in a regular game of 40k. Resolve the situation by finding someone else to play against.
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2008/10/08 20:45:13
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Are you really that afraid of Special Characters?
That cost a lot of points?
Maybe a better option would be "Play them anyway and beat them, showing them what a points sink 2 Special Characters are"?
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2008/10/08 20:49:22
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Murfreesboro, TN
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Yeah, since your opponent obligingly sunk around 450 points into 2 models that aren't really THAT tough, you should be happy. There's much nastier combinations in the new 'dex than 2 tricked-out ICs... like a Honor Guard all tricked out with relic blades, or the new Typhoons, or Sternguard.
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As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Member of the "No Retreat for Calgar" Club |
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2008/10/08 20:58:16
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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I thought that if you take two special characters, then you get to choose which character's special rules apply. Therefore, if you took Calgar, then you could choose to use his GoW rule for the game. This would negate any other special rules granted by the other chracter. However, if you chose to use the other character's special rules, then you don't get to use GoW.
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40k armies:  
Fantasy: TK, Dwarfs, VC |
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2008/10/08 21:46:16
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Murfreesboro, TN
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Only when Chapter Tactics is involved; if only one character has Chapter Tactics, you have to apply it, no choice.
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As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Member of the "No Retreat for Calgar" Club |
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2008/10/09 08:04:13
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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lord_sutekh wrote:Nope, read GoW; it requires that he retain Combat Tactics, and the other characters replace Combat Tactics, so he won't have it.
Actually re-read Marneus. He does not require Combat Tactics to use GoW. He just requires other units to have CT so he can grant his deity status to them as well.
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Mannahnin wrote:A lot of folks online (and in emails in other parts of life) use pretty mangled English. The idea is that it takes extra effort and time to write properly, and they’d rather save the time. If you can still be understood, what’s the harm? While most of the time a sloppy post CAN be understood, the use of proper grammar, punctuation, and spelling is generally seen as respectable and desirable on most forums. It demonstrates an effort made to be understood, and to make your post an easy and pleasant read. By making this effort, you can often elicit more positive responses from the community, and instantly mark yourself as someone worth talking to.
insaniak wrote: Every time someone threatens violence over the internet as a result of someone's hypothetical actions at the gaming table, the earth shakes infinitisemally in its orbit as millions of eyeballs behind millions of monitors all roll simultaneously.
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2008/10/09 15:27:56
Subject: Chapter Tactics and Marneus
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Ah, reread and you're right. So, he alone can use GoW in a sea of people ignoring his war-godliness.
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As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Member of the "No Retreat for Calgar" Club |
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