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Do combi-weapons count as "twin-linked" with vulcan's rule? On the bolter component, I'm going to say no (obviously) but I'm not sure (leaning toward no) on the melta/flamer portion. I don't have the book, but I'm pretty sure that it says "meltaguns, multimeltas, flamers, and heavy flamers" count as twin-linked. Is a combi-melta also a (one-shot) meltagun, or not?

A combi-weapon is treated as a one-shot version of the weapon, so for that turn's shooting, it IS a flamer/melta/plasmagun/whatever.

I was hoping I'd get more answers. I'm tempted to take vulcan he'stan and a few big units of combi-melta sternguard.

Also, the flamestorm cannons on the redeemer don't become twin-linked, right?

Do you really need more answers just to repeat what lord_sutekh has already confirmed? If an answer is correct, most of the veterans here on Dakka don't bother with a "yes, he's correct" post.

Since the flamestorm cannons aren't listed as one of the weapons that become twinlinked, then no they don't.

I guess it's pretty cut and dry then. The new marine book is pretty ridiculous, isn't it?

I don't see "Combi-Weapons" listed under He'Stan's special rule.

I'd read about combi-weapons, then, if I were you.

Anyone else notice that he is not a captain of anything , no where in his description does it say he is, He is a "forgefather". He can't take command squads. Kind of strange, he is the one of the few HQs that is not a Captain , techmarine , psyker. Forgefather is apparently a seperate entry now.

lord_sutekh:

I've read about combi-weapons. Still don't see what makes the term "Combi-Weapon", or the terms "combi-flamer" and "combi-melta", into terms such as "flamer" or "melta gun".

From page 97 of Codex Space Marines:

Each has been expertly converted to house another weapon, either a meltagun, plasma gun or flamer

There it is.

Hollismason wrote:Anyone else notice that he is not a captain of anything , no where in his description does it say he is, He is a "forgefather". He can't take command squads. Kind of strange, he is the one of the few HQs that is not a Captain , techmarine , psyker. Forgefather is apparently a seperate entry now.

Read his fluff. It makes sense.

The description of combi-weapon says (paraphrasing) 'it houses another weapon such as a flamer, meltagun... may choose to fire either the bolter or the secondary weapon'. I didn't initially think the twin-linking would apply to combi-weapons either, but since they are described as a weapon in their own right, I have changed my mind and now think it probably should twin-link them.

Ghaz:

Oh, I agree that there is mention of combi-weapons being able to follow the Melta gun or Flamer rules once every game, but I still fail to see "Combi-Weapon" or "Combi-Flamer" or "Combi-Melta" enumerated amongst the weapons listed in He'stan's special rule.

The secondary weapon IS a meltagun or flamer, and so can benefit from his rule for that one turn. There's no statline anywhere for "combimelta" or "combiflamer", so they're not an actual different weapon; it's just a wargear option that grants a bolter and the option for a one-turn use of a special weapon.

I think that Combi-Weapons are more like Grenade Launchers or Missile Launchers; they are one weapon with two sets of characteristics. And they are not listed on the weapons allowed by He'stan's special rule. As a contrast (evidence, not proof of anything), the Sternguard special ammunition rule explicitly notes that the reference to bolters includes combi-weapons.

And again, read the passage I've quoted.

Each has been expertly converted to house another weapon, either a meltagun, plasma gun or flamer. This extra weapon carries only a limited charge,...

A combi-weapon is two weapons, not one weapon with two different stats.

The sternguard entry refers to the boltgun as "part of a combi weapon" which suggest a combi weapon has two parts, the boltgun and the flamer/melta etc, vulkans rules cover the latter part

Ghaz wrote:And again, read the passage I've quoted.

Each has been expertly converted to house another weapon, either a meltagun, plasma gun or flamer. This extra weapon carries only a limited charge,...

A combi-weapon is two weapons, not one weapon with two different stats.

Yes. Thus Vulkan would allow the special weapon part of the combi weapon to count as twin-linked, whereas Lysander would allow the bolter part of the combi weapon to reroll misses.

2 different weapons that occupy one "slot".

He can't have a command squad it's kind of gay.

Ghaz wrote:Do you really need more answers just to repeat what lord_sutekh has already confirmed? If an answer is correct, most of the veterans here on Dakka don't bother with a "yes, he's correct" post.

Yes, I really do need more answers. And it seems I've finally got some. I come to dakka for discussion, not condescension.

It's not 'condescension', thank you. It was an explanation of why you weren't getting that many replies. An attitude like yours also won't get you many replies either.

sourclams wrote:

Ghaz wrote:And again, read the passage I've quoted.

Each has been expertly converted to house another weapon, either a meltagun, plasma gun or flamer. This extra weapon carries only a limited charge,...

A combi-weapon is two weapons, not one weapon with two different stats.

Yes. Thus Vulkan would allow the special weapon part of the combi weapon to count as twin-linked, whereas Lysander would allow the bolter part of the combi weapon to reroll misses.

2 different weapons that occupy one "slot".

Though Lysander's bit doesn't work on all of them, just the ones in his squad.

Hi guys,
This may sound like a simple question and when I've ask people they've clicked and gone um yeah..... and not actually given an answer, so here goes. Whats with giving a weapon (in this case a flamer), that in the main rule book hits automatically on fulls and partials re roles on the to hit? sorry but whats the point. Does it give you re roles on wounding instead due to the more intense yield of the of the flame, or more expert handling etc. Any clarification of this would be greatly appreciated thanks

You guessed right.

Read BGB, pg 31 , under "Twin-linked Template Weapons". That'll help.

Nurgleboy77 wrote:You guessed right.

Read BGB, pg 31 , under "Twin-linked Template Weapons". That'll help.

Ahhhh i see, thanks for that, its one of those 'its staring you in the face' things.

once again thank you for the heads up much appreciated

As a combiweapon is made up of two seperate weapons I agree that the Melta gun or Flamer would count as twin linked with Vulkan.

Why are we still discussing this?

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