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It is alleged she doctored her expenses claims.

I can't see how a proper investigation could be finished before the election, though. There would be all kinds of accusations of bias flying around.

Kilkrazy wrote:It is alleged she doctored her expenses claims.

I can't see how a proper investigation could be finished before the election, though. There would be all kinds of accusations of bias flying around.

In recent Times/Wall St polls, voters listed Palin above farking Bush as reasons to not vote for McCain. What a trainwreck of a pick~!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27297013/

Biden routed over $2MM to his family via jobs and contracts. Do we really haev to go down this road continuously.

I care about who's going to make the trains run on time, not who bought an extra bottle of booze on the corporate card.

I didn't think you had trains in America.

Unfortunately I've seen internal support numbers for her as high as 90%. I fear that the GOP is going to quickly see itself transform into a party of Social Populism. This is especially true if Obama wins in a landslide and the GOP intelligentsia jump ship to the Dems, or worse, make a run at reinventing the Libertarians into Reaganite traditionalists.

Edited for typing like a monkey.
Hey don't snirg social populism. That used to be a bulwark of the Democratic party. If its good enough for Bryant its good enough for me.

Oh, I know it can be effective. That's what scares me.

If it gets the current bunch of incumbents out it can't be bad. They say the first step to the road of recovery is recognizing you have a problem. I took great joy in voting for no incumbents except a local commisioner who got the district off its duff and started collecting heavy trash early after Ike. All politics is local baby.

dogma wrote:Unfortunately I've seen internal support numbers for her as high as 90%. I fear that the GOP is going to quickly see itself transform into a party of Social Populism. This is especially true if Obama wins in a landslide and the GOP intelligentsia jump ship to the Dems, or worse, make a run at reinventing the Libertarians into Reaganite traditionalists.

I would not be shocked if the GOP splinter into two 'parties' by Obamas second term. I wish I was a better person...but watching Rove politics drive the GOP into the canyon and the Kristol crowd chewing their own legs off.....well I get tingles.

Be careful what you wish for. A government ruled by one party is not a representative government. It is Mexico in the PRI years.

The democrats will have 180 days to do something. After that the tide changes. Effective equilibrium inthe last century has been a divided executive and legislative.

up, or just act like Congress is doing now, and the love affair with the Democratic Party will end in 2010.

Frazzled wrote:Be careful what you wish for. A government ruled by one party is not a representative government. It is Mexico in the PRI years.

The democrats will have 180 days to do something. After that the tide changes. Effective equilibrium inthe last century has been a divided executive and legislative.

up, or just act like Congress is doing now, and the love affair with the Democratic Party will end in 2010.

I didn't state that I wanted a one party government. I said that the GOP will splinter with it's more reasonable members becoming 'new Republicans' while the Rovian/fundamentalist faction will wither...and I can't help but feel extreme satisfaction watching it happen.

Frazzled wrote:Be careful what you wish for. A government ruled by one party is not a representative government. It is Mexico in the PRI years.

Or Scotland.

Frazzled wrote:Be careful what you wish for. A government ruled by one party is not a representative government. It is Mexico in the PRI years.

The democrats will have 180 days to do something. After that the tide changes. Effective equilibrium inthe last century has been a divided executive and legislative.

up, or just act like Congress is doing now, and the love affair with the Democratic Party will end in 2010.

I think that, between internal Republican warfare and the colossal malpractice that is the current Neocon administration, the Dems will get considerably more time to prove themselves. 2012 will probably be a lot like GHW's loss; with the Dems coming out ahead on the bleed of Republican voters to the Libertarians and other Third Parties.

If thats true then that means the Republicans retake both houses in 2010. You're more optimistic of the Republicans chances than I am.

The Republican split/reassessment has been coming for some time. Colin Powell and Christopher Buckley are just more warning shots across the bow. It may be similar to when some Democrats switched to Republicans in the 60's.

When the only way a Republican can be a viable candidate is to betray their moderate, more popular stances, like McCain, there is a trouble a-brewing. Really it is a no win situation for him. If he doesn't placate the radical right they threaten to form a third party, if he goes for their vote he becomes a flip-flopping candidate. I would have rather seen him stick to his pre-presidential candidate positions and alienate some of the base while picking up more undecideds then the way his campaign has tried to use the GWB playbook.

I think everyone's attention will be focussed on the economy for the next 6-12 months.

is this true ?

.. very tasteful.

reds8n wrote:is this true ?

.. very tasteful.

Oh snap, that's something I would expect to find on 4chan.

On the same note, I'm a Missouri resident which means I've been flooded with robocalls/mailers/advertisements in the last week. The other day I received a mailer from McCain/GOP that had 'TERRORIST?' on the outside. When you flipped open the inside it had a large picture of Obama and a small picture of Ayers. Now what I found most disturbing in this mailer was how 'black' they made Obama look. Someone had obviously used photoshop to darken his skintone, as he looked like a burnt match. Pretty pathetic.

Kilkrazy wrote:It is alleged she doctored her expenses claims.

I can't see how a proper investigation could be finished before the election, though. There would be all kinds of accusations of bias flying around.

Is this from the same people who doctored her high school report card to giver a Honor Society Student a 2.2 GPA? (For those Non-American/Non-Highschool graduates, your required to have a 3.0 GPA to be in the Honor Society)

No, it was on Yahoo! News, so it's not a wingnut job or something fringe.

Anyone else getting spam pics of her doing the "No more Bush"?

Awesome, this is what, number three of things people have dug up on her, compared to how many MUCH worse and telling things on obama?

Ayers
Wright
Michelle's open mouth.
ACORN
The lapel pin
The pledge of allegiance
The bitter clingers

All of which are among many many others, and all of which are much greater reads on Obamas sad outlook on America compared to.....some expense reports....

AgeOfEgos wrote:

In recent Times/Wall St polls, voters listed Palin above farking Bush as reasons to not vote for McCain. What a trainwreck of a pick~!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27297013/

The TIMES??? Are you serious? A times poll goes like this:

"Hey Bob you like Obama?"
"Yeah"
"How about you John"
"Yeah"
"Cool looks like Obama is winning."

They would poll their own asses if it made Obama look good.

PanamaG wrote:Awesome, this is what, number three of things people have dug up on her, compared to how many MUCH worse and telling things on obama?

Ayers
Wright
Michelle's open mouth.
ACORN
The lapel pin
The pledge of allegiance
The bitter clingers

All of which are among many many others, and all of which are much greater reads on Obamas sad outlook on America compared to.....some expense reports....

You miss the point. Those thing don't matter to many of us because we think they are indicative of the correct image of the American position in world/domestic affairs. McCain isn't losing because of media coverage. He's losing because most people think he, and the GOP, are simply not ideologically suited to the current crisis.

Also...Joe McCarthy should have been publicly executed.

Not really, it just makes me feel better when I say/type that.

AgeOfEgos wrote: Now what I found most disturbing in this mailer was how 'black' they made Obama look. Someone had obviously used photoshop to darken his skintone, as he looked like a burnt match. Pretty pathetic.

Come on you are making this too easy.

Look at his myspace! He is as white as Biden!!!

And as a side note they do this on purpose, both sides. They do it with Oprah and other AA celebrities on mag covers because it apparantly sells better to white mothers.

EDIT: Dogma - trust me, people who are comforted by all the above listed things are America haters to begin with and are in a huge minority.

I dont trust polls, I will let the day decide. No one is winning until the voting booth closes.

Ayers: proven over and over a non-issue; also see Keating five
Wright: again, non-issue; see also McCain's actual religious backers
Michelle's open mouth: whatever you mean by that, you don't want to throw Mrs. Obama up against Mrs. McCain in a virtue throwdown
ACORN: nice try, but no relation
The lapel pin: Oh noes, changing wardrobe choices!
The pledge of allegiance: what about it? I don't put my hand up either... and neither do most of the people I know, Repub or Dem
The bitter clingers: ummm, wth are you talking about?

lord_sutekh wrote:Ayers: proven over and over a non-issue FOR ME; also see Keating five
Wright: again, non-issue; FOR ME see also McCain's actual religious backers
Michelle's open mouth: whatever you mean by that, you don't want to throw Mrs. Obama up against Mrs. McCain in a virtue throwdown IN MY OPINION
ACORN: nice try, but no relation IN MY OPINION
The lapel pin: Oh noes, changing wardrobe choices! (Shows a whole lot about his character)
The pledge of allegiance: what about it? I don't put my hand up either... and neither do most of the people I know, Repub or Dem (When everyone else there does, you do. Its just patriotic, and shows a lot)
The bitter clingers: ummm, wth are you talking about? (The comment he made about how people cling to guns and religion, where have you been?)

Fixed and commented.

PanamaG wrote:

EDIT: Dogma - trust me, people who are comforted by all the above listed things are America haters to begin with and are in a huge minority.

I have nothing but disdain for this statement. You could not be more ignorant. The relative majority/minority of the opinion is arguable. The rest is trash.

dogma wrote:

PanamaG wrote:

EDIT: Dogma - trust me, people who are comforted by all the above listed things are America haters to begin with and are in a huge minority.

I have nothing but disdain for this statement. You could not be more ignorant. The relative majority/minority of the opinion is arguable. The rest is trash.

I couldnt disagree more and that is your opinion.

Its all about perspective and context. Most people who vote and will vote have my perspective.

And dont give me "the kiddies are coming." True unbiased polls have shown ages 18-24 making no more of a show this year then ever before.

Alright Im done here, OT raises my blood pressure. Time to go back to warhams.

PanamaG wrote:

AgeOfEgos wrote:

In recent Times/Wall St polls, voters listed Palin above farking Bush as reasons to not vote for McCain. What a trainwreck of a pick~!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27297013/

The TIMES??? Are you serious? A times poll goes like this:

"Hey Bob you like Obama?"
"Yeah"
"How about you John"
"Yeah"
"Cool looks like Obama is winning."

They would poll their own asses if it made Obama look good.

It was actually an NBC/WSJ poll. Unless you are going to state the WSJ is left leaning....in which case I'm not responding .

dogma wrote:
Also...Joe McCarthy should have been publicly executed. Anyone that voted for him or emulates him now should be muzzled.

Quoted with my addendum and picture is relevant