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Ok, so here was the jist of his army. I don't know all the names of the characters, but wow, it kicked my trash. he had a steam tank, a hell blaster volly gun, luther huss, and another special character who had a sword that all hit's auto wound with no armour saves, and an item that made all wounds count double to combat res. and a unit of reiks guard(i think). now the seam tank was only good for one turn because I kept hitting it with that lore of metel spell that makes it so a warmachine can't do anything that turn. but the one turn it worked, he tore me up. charged using 8 steam points a so cause 8d3 impact hits!!! he also had two units of handgunners, a unit od swordmen(not long swords) and a unit of pistoliers. I was playing lizardmen with a 2nd gen slann, nike scare vet, 4 krox, 3 salamnders, 30 skinks(3 units of 10) 5 terradons and 20 saurus. how in the world do you beat that cheese? my biggest problem is the charcter that auto wounds with no armour and all wounds count double to CR. that was brutal.

Kurt helborg, the guy with the runefang, dies to anything that can cut through his armor since he has no ward save.
S-tank cant generate 8 points unless it rolls a 1 or 2. its also immune to magic that doesnt have a strength value.
You have a slaan with lore of metal, use the rule of burning iron on kurt and the s-tank then spirit of the forge on the s-tank. kroxigors should also make short work of the stank if they get the drop on it.

i thought kf had a 3+ ward save. Im pretty sure he does. Either way hit him with some magic

How about a slann with the spell pit of shades... bye bye steamtank! Same for Kurt Helborg, of Volkmar on his war altar if he brings it. Sure, Volkmar has to test, but his altar is just GONE... Think about it.

Volkmar is mounted on the War Altar, so I would think one test is made using the better of the two statistics like a monstrous mount.

the steam tank is immune to Pit of shades because iit is immune to any spell that does not have a stength value.

And its assumed to pass any test but an initiative test. Though Pit of Shades is fuzzy enough for me, I don't remember if its supposed to pass or fail its S test.

no, pit of shades has no strength value, and the steam tank is immune to any spell that does not have a strength. I'm thinking the best way to beat the steam tank is to use my Dwarfs and shoot it with a cannon. that should do the trick.

You could try what a friend of mine did in our warbands... bull charge it with your ogres

Slaaneshi or Khornate Ogres or Warriors with Great Weapons should be able tear a hole in the Steam Tank.

Ram some kroxigors into that steamtank, should be able to outflank it. Send some skinks along for the screening and diversion. A bane head for those pesky characters, and a lot of skink darts to miracles. Also, instead of a slann, you might try a beefed oldblood and two skink priests, which is about half as expensive as the floating toad. Salamanders to roast his infantry, and two blocks of regular sauri with full command.... Try that. His list is by far unbeatable.

in other words; everything i said

Nike oldblood with great weapon and aura of quetzl= dead steam tank (at least in my experience) not to bad against empire characters without ward saves either. Just watch the war alter if he brought Van horstmans speculum.