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What's your thoughts on this proposed rule?

At the moment you get +1 CR for outnumbering an opponent.
How about a +2 bonus if you outnumber 2:1, and +3 for 3:1

My reason is WHFB seems to have gone done the route of attempting to reduce powerful characters, and monsters (they reduced the stats for manticores, ogres etc) and increasing the effectiveness of ordinary troopers. Also they used to have a rule where a unit of 50 or more models was unbreakable.

Doesnt sound too bad all i know if this rule was to take effect id have to rethink my whole straregy with my WE!!

my Skaven Slave units of 100 models would LOVE that rule.

All the combat bonus of being rock hard with the stat line of a fish

it's far too open to abuse by armies that have such cheap throw away units.

100 slaves = 200 points.

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outnumber 4:1 (vs a 25 man unit)

that's 8 combat points. vs your 25 man unit that's probably 5 wide, the best you can hope for is 6 hits and wounds (with champ) + your banner. I still win combat.

nieto666 wrote:Doesnt sound too bad all i know if this rule was to take effect id have to rethink my whole straregy with my WE!!

And you'd have all sorts of new troubles from my Skaven..

wotnot, make that a rear or flank charge and its pretty much an auto-win

love the idea!
and i agree with old times, a unit with 50+ unit Str should be unbreakable.

Yes, you're right Mad Dok it would be open to abuse with skaven slaves, i didn't think of that

calmacil, if you got into a fight against 20 people and you had 19 people with you its not allways fun.

if there are 20 of them and 49 with you then you will be alot more confident, i think this reflects it pretty well.

yes true JD, you would get the +1 for outnumbering. But i can see what Mad Dok means, that skaven slave unit would win every combat.

Maybe if the bonus was limited to a max. of +2 for outnumbering 2:1

i agree with that, a unit of 100 slaves, 200 points, wins without hurting anyone

it is unfair, so a limit would work well

given some of the uber combat units coming out of the newer army books though, that X:1 outnumber giving +X combat res might not mean much against Skaven slaves.. I mean, add up the kills possible by some of the new tweaked out Dark Elf units and combat would be close to a tie while close to a dozen slaves are removed a turn, which would quickly reduce that outnumber bonus...

themandudeperson, i think the answer to large skaven slave units is the screaming skull with skulls of the foe

aslong as it causes 1 wound it also causes a panic test

JD21290 wrote:themandudeperson, i think the answer to large skaven slave units is the screaming skull with skulls of the foe

aslong as it causes 1 wound it also causes a panic test

yep, and don't i know it... BAH I say.. BAH!!!!

JD21290 wrote:calmacil, if you got into a fight against 20 people and you had 19 people with you its not allways fun.

if there are 20 of them and 49 with you then you will be alot more confident, i think this reflects it pretty well.

True, you'd be more confident. But if those 20 guys are kung-fu masters and you and your 49 friends have only seen kung-fu movies, how's that fight gonna unfold?

it's also worth pointing out that the "there's more of us than there are of you" is pretty much what rank bonus is for.