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First try with 5Ed... something like this:

Farseer w/ Fortune 85
Farseer w/ Fortune 85

6 Fire Dragons, Exarch, Flamer, Crack shot in Wave Serpent w/ SS and EML
6 Fire Dragons, Exarch, Flamer, Crack shot in Wave Serpent w/ SS and EML

10 Dire Avengers, Exarch, 2xASh, Bladestorm in Wave Serpent w/ SS and EML
10 Dire Avengers, Exarch, 2xASh, Bladestorm in Wave Serpent w/ SS and EML
13 Guardians w/ EML (or Scatter laser) + Warlock (maybe Embolden...)

Wraithlord EML+BL
Wraithlord EML+BL

1680pts (...+/-)


I plan to run both Farseers with Dire Avengers or one in the WS and other with the WL (it will depend of the adversary list and deployment). Warlock will be "babysiting" WL.
I'm not a big fan of Heavy flamer...but it will give a help against that pesky orks and nids!

I have some spare points and don't know what to do with them:
1) Spirit Stones and Doom to one of the Farseers. Maybe a Rune;
2) add 2 Fire Dragons to each squad;
3) Drop EML from the WLs, both Fire Dragons Exarchs and 2 Guardians and add 8xScorpions with Ex, MtC and Power Claw.
EDIT: 4) Add 3xJet bike with ShCannon.

My favourite is the 4th... as for the Scorpions...they cool and great objective defenders...but I already have 2 WL and Guardians to defend the objective...

What do you think?

wow... flying eldar from hell . I presume you want to go tourney with this? I think the serpents are going to go down fairly easy to heavy shooting, you are practically nearly fully based on short ranged firepower, lacks a bit of a punch. just my two credits...

Well, I'd take a fully mech list with 2 Prisms instead of Wraithlords. Then trade one Farseer for an Autarch. In this way, you can leave the 'whole' army in reserve.

PanzerSmurf wrote:wow... flying eldar from hell . I presume you want to go tourney with this?

Eventually... yes!

PanzerSmurf wrote:
I think the serpents are going to go down fairly easy to heavy shooting

Why do you say that? I think that Serpents are now as survival as Falcons... but cheaper. They have larger transport capacity, a Force Shield (that ignore extra penetrating bonus and max. S8 hits)... plus the FortuneSeer.

PanzerSmurf wrote:you are practically nearly fully based on short ranged firepower, lacks a bit of a punch. just my two credits...

Again, I don't understand why you say that. 4xEML vehicle mounted plus 3EML and 2 BL "foot-mounted" is not short ranged firepower.

And what kinda of extra punch do you suggest?

wuestenfux wrote:Well, I'd take a fully mech list with 2 Prisms instead of Wraithlords. Then trade one Farseer for an Autarch. In this way, you can leave the 'whole' army in reserve.

Yup. That could be an option, but I only have 1 Fire Prism. The Autarch can be done tough!

What are your farseers fortuning? The DAs and the serpent when it goes flat out? It seems that you have a very aggressive list and the farseer powers should match that. You should add doom or guide might fit better with the playstyle that you are suggesting. I would also suggest leaving for Farseer to helf protect your firebase.

Or you could drop the Exarchs from the Fire Dragons. Because you already have so much anti-infantry, the two Heavy Flamers might not be necessary. And with so few Dragons, I would rather have 6 melta shots than five to insure that what they shoot dies.

Here is your list with my suggestions:

"Aggressive" Farseer w/ Fortune, Doom, and SS
"Firebase" Farseer w/ Fortune, Guide, Runes of Warding, and SS

6 Fire Dragons in Wave Serpent w/ SS and EML
6 Fire Dragons in Wave Serpent w/ SS and EML

10 Dire Avengers, Exarch, 2xASh, Bladestorm in Wave Serpent w/ SS and EML
10 Dire Avengers, Exarch, 2xASh, Bladestorm in Wave Serpent w/ SS and EML
13 Guardians w/ EML + Warlock, Embolden

Wraithlord EML+BL
Wraithlord EML+BL

Guide and Fortune should really help your firebase.

AdeptSister wrote:What are your farseers fortuning? The DAs and the serpent when it goes flat out? It seems that you have a very aggressive list and the farseer powers should match that. You should add doom or guide might fit better with the playstyle that you are suggesting. I would also suggest leaving for Farseer to helf protect your firebase.

Or you could drop the Exarchs from the Fire Dragons. Because you already have so much anti-infantry, the two Heavy Flamers might not be necessary. And with so few Dragons, I would rather have 6 melta shots than five to insure that what they shoot dies.

Guide and Fortune should really help your firebase.

The Farseer will fortune the Serpents. Doom gives a good boot!

A agreed that the Fire Dragons Ex isn't very useful...maybe in bigger squads (8 Fire dragons with Exarch, Flamer and Crack...)...in small squads, I'll keep it simple!

If I use a FirebaseSeer I will drop Warlock...no more Babysitting! I might have the points for a 2nd Guardian squad...or Rangers!...Or drop Guardians and add 8 Pathfinders.