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Three large, str10, ap2 each turn put a hurting on the green tide....
Apologies for the brief report; the battle was even shorter.

Well, three large pie plates can hurt. Was there no way around this? Lootas, Killakanz, Dreads, Biker Nobz?

I've got a lot of questions about this one. Max range on a Demo cannon is 24", meaning that there should have only been about 2 turns of you getting shot before you closed into assault. Secondly, cover saves? I don't doubt that IG can kill a lot of Orks, but you seem to be attributing the whole thing to 3 tanks.

sourclams wrote:I've got a lot of questions about this one. Max range on a Demo cannon is 24", meaning that there should have only been about 2 turns of you getting shot before you closed into assault. Secondly, cover saves? I don't doubt that IG can kill a lot of Orks, but you seem to be attributing the whole thing to 3 tanks.

Maybe I got codded but I don't think so. My opponent had black templars and potms so he could move 6" and still drop the template. It takes a long time to close with something that can move 6" and still drop a large S10, ap2 template.

I'm understanding this less and less. How were Templar fielding 3 Demolishers? Or how were IG allied with Templar? Demolishers can't get PotMS. Were you playing Apocalypse?

Do you mean Vindicators?

A PK Warboss on bike should seriously ruin a Vindicator.

Unless he gets wounded by a hit from a Demolisher Cannon. Then he goes pop.

If he's going to ignore the masses of boyz with pk nobs to splat a character for a round or two then problem solved.

I don't think he has to ignore the masses of Boyz to splat a Warboss. After all, the 5" big blast template only needs to graze the Warboss to blow him up real good, and can affect many Boyz at the same time.

Otherwise, with three Vindicators, he could have shot the Warboss up with some other units and left the Vindicators to smash up the rest of the army. Hard to tell, really, given the utter and complete lack of battle report.

With three vindicators each moving 6" a turn and dropping that godforsaken template there is more than enough carnage to go around.

Nurglitch wrote:I don't think he has to ignore the masses of Boyz to splat a Warboss. After all, the 5" big blast template only needs to graze the Warboss to blow him up real good, and can affect many Boyz at the same time.

Otherwise, with three Vindicators, he could have shot the Warboss up with some other units and left the Vindicators to smash up the rest of the army. Hard to tell, really, given the utter and complete lack of battle report.

Forgive me. Allow me to present a full and complete battle report.

Turn 1

...........vindicator.............vindicator.............vindicator
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.orks orks orks orks orks ork orks orks orks orks orks orks

Turn 2
............vindicator.........vindicator................vindicator..
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orks......orks......orks......orks......orks......orks.......orks

Turn 3

...........vindicator..........vindicator............vindicator....
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............orks..........orks.............orks.............orks........

Turn 4

..........vindicator..........vindicator.............vindicator......
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what else did he have?

Shrike78 wrote:what else did he have?

It was a classic scissors-rock-paper battle. I came with a large horde ork army and he came with a messload of armor. My list had worked very well against some MEQ lists before but it had never faced 3 vindicators, a couple dreadnoughts, some predators (i think that's what they were), and a rhino. In essence, then, we had two narrow, specialized armies going at it rather than two well-rounded lists. My opponents list would obviously get stomped by armies fielding meltas, lascannons etc. I gambled on a list that does well against anything except armor and lost in horrific fashion. Nevertheless, I don't care what t I bring, I never want to face three vindicators ever again.

Three vindicators AND predators? How many points were you playing? Sounds like some kind of foul there, thats at least 4 heavy support choices...

These predators might have been razorbacks as they also have a turret.

Zaephyr wrote:These predators might have been razorbacks as they also have a turret.

Yes, my opponent was completely above board and we've played before. I'm just ignorant of any other codex than the one I play.

olympia wrote:

Zaephyr wrote:These predators might have been razorbacks as they also have a turret.

Yes, my opponent was completely above board and we've played before. I'm just ignorant of any other codex than the one I play.

I see. There's nothing wrong with that.

3 Vindis and razorback spam possibly.

did you forget to run? spread your troops out so there is space between them? The orks shouldn't loose like that just because there are 3 vindicators

Run a big mek with a field. Whoever they touch they should give a 5+ cover save too. Also, if you are set up over 24 inches away, he couldn't put the first bit of spam on you. And if you are 24 inches away, then first turn, run so 6+ whatever. Second turn, 12+ so depending on what you ran and mix with a waagh you should have gotten there on the second turn, if they were in range to shoot you. If he had to move forward to get into range, that still would allow you to get there when mixing in run and waagh.

But try a big mek with a field. You would be amazed at how they will help when dealing with template weapons that are not flamers. As well as always giving you a roll. You might also want to try storm boyz to run out ahead and see if they can draw some fire. If not, then they will be ready to chew up some stuff as they get to combat.

Orks should have some or many specialized troops such as kommandos and lootas in 1500 points or more. Lootas can destroy or at least damage light vehicles like those razorbacks with their many shots and str 7. Kommandos rock when you outflank them. Arm them with powerklaw and rokkits and the enemy won't be able to react when they hit the side of a vehicle. Kommandos also fit into horde army. If this doesn't do the trick or it doesn't suit your playing style, then try bikers. Powerklaws on charge (str 9) is pretty devastating against even heavier vehicles.

Did he spread out those vindis? If he did then you could have ran between them and/or around them. Demolisher Cannons are Hull-mounted, meaning that they have a slim sight arc.

Mekboy with KFF is mandatory for the green tide. Ghazzies helps also with his 6" Waagh move.

Zaephyr wrote:

olympia wrote:

Zaephyr wrote:These predators might have been razorbacks as they also have a turret.

Yes, my opponent was completely above board and we've played before. I'm just ignorant of any other codex than the one I play.

I see. There's nothing wrong with that.

Actually, there's EVERYTHING wrong with that. Know your enemy, read other codexes.

My main opponent is going a similar route with his army. I'm not really sure what to counter with. He plans to field a mostly armored list. He has just about every template you can get with a MEQ army. Thunderfire cannons, Vindicator, Razorback, Predators, and a few scouts to pick at my KFF. Pretty much entirely set to counter my Orks.

Not sure how to counter but I imagine that the previous posters suggestions would be a good start. KMB Kans, Lootas, Tank bustas, and maybe some Koptas? Koptas might be a bad choice with all the artillery floating around. Definitely need some kinds of Rockets though. Maybe even Kommandos with burnas for extra power weapons if you can get close enough to his artillery.

Hope this helps, cuz I'm in the same boat.. and feel your pain..

Also, vindicators are fairly immobile, im not sure why you just lined up in front of them and ran at them with the slowest elements of your force.

If you have anything faster than boyz (stormboyz, bikers) you should have just slammed into the vindicators if it was mandatory you get to where they were with a PK nob and wrecked him.

Regardless, you should have had at least a couple rokkits, deffguns, something, that would allow you to at least shake his three tanks that ruined your day so heavily.

One sided armies focusing on a certain element (crazy ork stampede) but you have to have at least a tiny bit of balance (a few guns to support yourself, a few faster moving orks, etc)

Vindicators vs. buggies is even funnier than vindicators vs. footsloggers.