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Hello,

How do you treat a lictor which lands on an enemy model during its deep striking scatter ? Does it suffers a mishap table result or is it just moved a 1" of the model like a drop pod ?

Cf.
1) According to the BBB all models (ally or foe) are treated as impassable terrains ;
2) The lictor rules reads : "[...]If the terrain is classed as Impassable, the lictor will not be destroyed but instead placed as normal. If the Deep Strike roll would take the lictor out of the boundaries of the chosen area terrain, the lictor must be placed as close to the point indicated as possible without any part of its base leaving that terrain piece".

Wilme

It says the lictor is placed as normal (as in, placed in the impassable terrain), since you can't actually place the lictor in amongst the enemies I don't think you could get away with it since the allowance for changing scatter distance is only to ensure it stays in a terrain piece.

I would say it has to take the mishap table.

The lictor special rules apply to ensure that they don't accidentally scatter outside of terrain, presumably because you're trying to hide them somewhere. Enemy and friendly units are not impassible terrain, although they are impassible, because they are not terrain. Thus a lictor cannot deep strike into them.

Landing on top of another model, or within the 1" exclusion zone around an enemy model, sends lictors to the deep strike table.

Mishap chart, as already stated.

It has nothing to do with staying within terrain boundaries.

The rules say enemy models are impassable terrain.
The rules say that Lictors can DS onto impassable terrain.

coredump wrote:It has nothing to do with staying within terrain boundaries.

The rules say enemy models are impassable terrain.
The rules say that Lictors can DS onto impassable terrain.

The rules also say that a model cannot be placed on top of another model.

mishap table, this is really simple too.

Where does it say that models are impassable terrain? Page 11 under "Models in the way" says you can't move a model through the space occupied by another model, and page 14 under "Impassable Terrain" makes no mention of models being impassable terrain.

Page 95 under "Deep strike mishaps" makes a clear distinction between impassable terrain, friendly models and enemy models. The Lictor rules only say that you can deploy on impassable terrain, but makes no mention of friendly or enemy models.

So if your Lictor scatters on top of a friendly model or within 1" of an enemy model, it's a mishap.

Where does it say that models are impassable terrain?

Page 13, although it says they count as, not that they are.

Impassable terrain includes deep water, lava flows, steep rocky cliffs and buildings that models cannot
enter, as agreed with your opponent. Remember that
other models, friends and enemies, also count as
impassable terrain.

However

If the terrain is classed as Impassable, the lictor will not be destroyed but instead placed as normal.

It says 'if the terrain' is classed as Impassable. The way it is worded, this is regarding terrain and doesn't involve models -- as they are not terrain classed as impassible.

Although, you could make the argument that if a model counts as impassable terrain (a subset of terrain), it must therefore also count as terrain.

yes, but "counting as terrain" is different to "being terrain that is classed as impassable" still.

Which means the lictor cannot choose to deploy on top of infantry, and since it has rules which reduce it's scatter if it scatters beyond the chosen area terrain that means that the only way it could deep strike on infantry is if they are in the chosen terrain.

In that situation I still feel it would be considered a mishap, But it would be a rare event for a lictor to end up deploying on models.