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Okay here goes nothing...

HQ
Dracon, Agoniser
6 Incubi
Raider

ELITE
10 Wyches
Raider
175 pts

10 Wyches
Raider
175 pts

10 Wyches
Raider
175 pts

TROOP
10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
Ravager, 3 Disintergrators
120 pts

Ravager, 3 Disintergrators
120 pts

Ravager, 3 Disintergrators
120 pts

I would run with more incubi and only 3 troop choices all in raiders with DL.

I like the wyches even tho they are underpowered in the current game system (relative to how good they USED to be)... should be fun. You know you're going to play me btw... since its just my luck the DL list would rock me

Well, it's a decent list. The Warrior squads form a decent core, the Ravagers are anti-infantry and give mobile fire support, while the Wyches can take on any kind of infantry. The Wyches' impact would be greater if they would be led by Succubi with agonizers.
Incubi are nice but I never take them since they cannot FOF.

just remember units getting out of a transport cannot FOF and assault : )

frgsinwntr wrote:just remember units getting out of a transport cannot FOF and assault : )

I believe they can if the transport in question is "open topped."

Also, with the new wound allocation rules, the succubus with Agonizer got a little neutered. I discovered this recently when all three Agonizer wounds infliced by my succubus were allocated to the same model, causing me to lose combat....

Saldiven is correct regarding FoF and open topped.

I would say your wyches need a succubus with an agonizer just to be more of a threat to everything. Can take down MC's and MEQ's.

I'd also take a Shadowfield and Combat Drugs on the Dracon, makes him so much more effective.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Yeah I really only would want the agoniser for MC's... but seeing I have 16 Dark Lances and 9 Disintergrators... The wyches are just cheap elites to chew up infantry and step on the enemy's feet/objectives.

I was limited on points, so I chose to maximize the number of incubi instead of the lords gear.

Hmmm... be back in five minutes...

Okay so for now I'm keeping all the warriors. 600 pts for 12 BS 4 Dark Lances and 6 units of 10 scoring troops is good IMHO. They can hide in cover, then turn 5 and 6 (after the enemy's vehicles/mc's are taken down hopefully) run onto the objectives. As for kill points... I'm just going to nestle them in as much cover as possible. I don't think they'll draw much attention anyway. Here's the newer list

HQ
Dracon, Agoniser

++ 145 points remaining +++


ELITE
9 Wyches, Suc, Agoniser
Raider
191 pts

9 Wyches, Suc, Agoniser
Raider
191 pts

10 Wyches, Suc, Agoniser
Raider
203 pts

TROOP
10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

HEAVY SUPPORT
Ravager, 3 Disintergrators
120 pts

Ravager, 3 Disintergrators
120 pts

Ravager, 3 Disintergrators
120 pts

So I dropped the incubi and raider, dropped 2 wyches, added suc and agonisers to the wych squads. Now I have 145 points left to buy another Dracon and gear out the remaining. Then toss the dracon's in with each 9 man wych squad.

Thoughts?

You're going to have to learn to be incredibly careful with your lord and retinue. That grouping will reliably kill around 8 MEqs on the assault. If you're not going into a largish unit that won't run away, you're more than likely going to be sitting around taking a lot of fire on T3 models in your opponent's turn. The effectiveness and the points value of the unti will combine to make them a high priority target for your opponent. The 3+ save may look nice, but with T3, it makes them only marginally more survivable than scouts against bolters.

Edit: Looks like you were addressing that even while I was posting.

If I wanted to, I could change any amount of:

10 Warriors, 2 Dark Lances
100 pts

into

5 Warriors, Dark Lance
Raider
105 pts

or

5 Warriors, blaster
Raider
105 pts

I'd prolly toss horroxfexs on the raiders then too.

The 5 warriors with DL and Raider actually give you some interesting things to think about.

Firstly, it really kills you in KP missions. You've taken 6 FOC slots and turned it into 12 KPs.

However, you've also taken 12 DL's and turned them from 6 targets to 12 targets. I've seen some good success with this, as it makes it much more difficult for your opponent to get rid of all the threats.

This list is going to fair OK in todays environment of armor and MC spam simply due to it's number of DL shots. Gunline armies that know what they are doing will cripple you pretty fast. I'm not sure how common Marine or Tau gunlines are where this list is headed.

Also depends heavily on how often people you play see DE.

incubi are one of the best units in the game... I wouldn't run with out them!!!

Dr Phibes wrote:This list is going to fair OK in todays environment of armor and MC spam simply due to it's number of DL shots. Gunline armies that know what they are doing will cripple you pretty fast. I'm not sure how common Marine or Tau gunlines are where this list is headed.

Also depends heavily on how often people you play see DE.

Very true; people who aren't familiar with DE often make terrible target selection mistakes and discount their ability to hit hard.

I know the whyches are for CC but at only 5 pts each how can you pass up putting 2 blasters in each squad that way they have some AT and a little MEQ killing before you get in to HtH where wyches have trouble.

Also with the new no partials the Terrofex on raiders are sick. for 5 pts you make that raider with DL able to lock down an entire squad of infintry. instead of just killing 1 guy.

I have more than once pinned down the 20 man necron squads my firend likes fielding. With 2 raiders i have practicly paralyzed his entire army.