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Say you had 10 Burnas in an open-topped Looted Wagon for the sake of transporting them... can you drive the Wagon up next to a squad of Marines and drop 10 flamer templates from the same part of the hull of the Wagon? I'm assuming this is not a problem because as worded an open topped vehicle's firing points are to be from the hull of the vehicle.

If this is the case, Burnas just got a lot cooler to me for unleashing the fires of the WAAAGH!

You could, but the vehicle would have to move at combat speed.

Good for a laugh though. Drive By Deep Fry.

Has a nice ring to it. Oh, and don't forget the Skorchas!

Yeah the equation gets silly with 15+ flamers in a single open topped transport. If you catch just 3 models with a template, that's 45 hits.
Most I've personally seen on the table was 135.

Since those numbers usually just bounce off of people. 45 flamer hits (3 models under the template) is the equivalent of 34 sternguard rapidfiring dragonfire bolts.
135 hits (9 models under the template) is the equivalent of 102 sternguard rapidfiring dragonfire bolts.

Combat speed doesn't sound so bad, 13" at first, 7" on whatever round I want to torch them. Mmm... toasty.

Moz wrote:Yeah the equation gets silly with 15+ flamers in a single open topped transport. If you catch just 3 models with a template, that's 45 hits.
Most I've personally seen on the table was 135.

Since those numbers usually just bounce off of people. 45 flamer hits (3 models under the template) is the equivalent of 34 sternguard rapidfiring dragonfire bolts.
135 hits (9 models under the template) is the equivalent of 102 sternguard rapidfiring dragonfire bolts.

So technically, if firing at marines you'd kill 22.5 marines in a single burst? Assuming the flamers are s4 and cause 67.5 wounds. Hot damn hahah.
My friend was just asking this question yesterday, I thought it was simply inconceivable you could overlap that many templates, kudos to Dakka for clearing that up.

I imagine this would only work once since as soon as your Pyro Wagon torches a unit into oblivion your opponent will do everything in his power to make that threat go away. Having no transport to protect/carry them, your Burnas will be walking the rest of the way and making a nice, slow, expensive target.

Amazing anti-infantry unit, though... poof, 30 Orks gone in one shooting round from one unit.

I've been using 10 burnas in a wagon, it's pretty amazing. With the release of the new battlewagon kit, I'd expect to see these becoming pretty popular - 3 deffrolla wagons and 3 burna squads isn't that expensive and extraordinarily hard to stop with kustom force fields.

xyphoid wrote: - 3 deffrolla wagons and 3 burna squads isn't that expensive and extraordinarily hard to stop with kustom force fields.

Not expensive? The wagons and 3x10 burnas is half your army in a 1500 point game. And that doesn't include the two Big Meks with KFF, or losing out on a real useful HQ. A nice shock and awe thing if you can pull it off, a total disaster if you fight my favorite IG commander.

Kirbinator wrote:
Amazing anti-infantry unit, though... poof, 30 Orks gone in one shooting round from one unit.

You're not thinking big enough. Imagine this against a Green Tide Apocalypse formation

xyphoid wrote:I've been using 10 burnas in a wagon, it's pretty amazing. With the release of the new battlewagon kit, I'd expect to see these becoming pretty popular - 3 deffrolla wagons and 3 burna squads isn't that expensive and extraordinarily hard to stop with kustom force fields.

Anything mobile that can assault can easily destroy your battlewagons, as rear armor 10 is extremely easy to take advantage of.

Powerfists in assault sqauds, winged hive tyrants, mobile melta bombs, etc. all can ruin your day.

I see the biggest problem with the list being assault terminators with TH and SS in a land raider. You can't touch the raider, and the terminators could assault the wagon, and shred it to bits.

Don't forget to arm the Looted Wagon with a scorcha for extra fun.

You're not thinking big enough. Imagine this against a Green Tide Apocalypse formation

Aww... so nasty. 135 hits, 67.5 Orks crisped.

With the trukks being fast, could you use your burnas when your moving up to 13" (with a red paint job)? Or does the fast rule just apply to the trukk itself?

Just the trukk I'm afraid, passengers can only fire up to combat speed

burnas cant take a trukk anyway, so that idea is out the window.

it doesnt matter if the battlewagon get destroyed, they are only used to transport your burnas. its not easy to kill 3 AV14 things that have a permanent 4+ cover save. feel free to assault them too. when you blow them up and i counter charge you, 45 power weapon attacks will give you something to think about.

Landraiders are a problem, but they always are for orks, there is no easy way to deal with them. berrating ork armies for being unable to deal with eldar is like berrating IG for having low T low Save basic troops.

i wouldnt say its necessarily competitive, but the look on your opponents face when you drop 45 flamer templates on him may be enough all by itself.

Edit: An extra thought. You can tank shock an enemy unit (with deffrollas of course) so that it lines up nice and neat along side your tank, and then drop 15 flamer templates on it, probably getting most of the unit without much effort.

In that situation, you might want to avoid the deffrollas. Even if you kill just one guy, you may have deprived yourself of 15 hits. I never thought I'd see a situation when it was more efficient not to kill your enemies.

Regwon wrote:burnas cant take a trukk anyway, so that idea is out the window.

Not completely out of the window. Don't forget that other units can use a dedicated transport that isn't theirs. They can not set up in the trukk but they can start next to it on the first turn and then embark to carry on doing the template spam. This is good for those with out a wagon model or those trying to save a few points.

Also useful if your trukks have dropped off it's own boys and your wagon for your burnas gets destroyed. Sure you can assault with the 45 power weapon attacks or you still have the option of embarking on an empty trukk to continue with the flame spam.

middle wrote:

Not completely out of the window. Don't forget that other units can use a dedicated transport that isn't theirs.

Bingo!

I've had a couple of laughs with my Burnas in a schorcha armed LW. I think running the max 15 in a BW would be a waste as there hasn't been a unit that could stand up to 13 templates. Yeah, being restricted to combat speed is a bit of a pain but it sure is fun to have death dealing flame tank. I've been able to claim at least one comparably unit a game with shooting and then dealt some crippling blows once bailed from the inevitably destroyed wagon.

That first look from your opponent is priceless.

"Wait... You have how many templates firing out of that thing!?!?!?!?"

i always used it since the dawn of the new dex.
The look on the opponent's face alone is worth it.
BUT NOBODY MENTIONED THE MOST IMPORTANT THING JET:
up to 3 burnas can be meks.
so you can always repair your battlewagon if it looses something important.
even a team of 5 burnas, 3 of which are meks, provide a huge benefit to ye olde killcannon-wagon,
repairing and providing support against infantery coming too close.