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2008/11/11 23:41:30
Subject: Overflow wounds and winning close combat
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Boosting Ultramarine Biker
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I was playing a game with my bud recently, and we had a question about wound overflow and winning close combat..here is the scenario (nids vs Dark angels codex):
This assault includes 1 hive tyrant, 1 carnifex, 1 sqaud of 5 terminators, 1 sqaud of 2 terminators, and Samuel on a jetbike. Tyrant kills the 2 termies, but actually scores 3 unsaved wounds on them. Fex gets two unsaved wounds on the 5 man termie sqaud. The Termies get 7 unsaved wounds on the fex (who had 3 wounds remaining). Now the questions is..who won combat? Do the extra wounds count meaning that the termies won by 2 wounds? Or do they not count meaning that the nids won by 1 wound?
Additionally...in reference to independent characters. I know you can target an IC in CC making him take wounds, but when an IC is part of a sqaud and I put wounds on the sqaud...can he allocate them to his IC?
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2008/11/12 00:33:21
Subject: Overflow wounds and winning close combat
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Axyl wrote:
Additionally...in reference to independent characters. I know you can target an IC in CC making him take wounds, but when an IC is part of a sqaud and I put wounds on the sqaud...can he allocate them to his IC?
No. Unless the unit in question has the retinue rule, or counts as one according to the rulebook, then I.C.'s are treated as completely seperate units for purposes of attacks and wound allocation.
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2008/11/12 02:32:13
Subject: Overflow wounds and winning close combat
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Axyl wrote:This assault includes 1 hive tyrant, 1 carnifex, 1 sqaud of 5 terminators, 1 sqaud of 2 terminators, and Samuel on a jetbike. Tyrant kills the 2 termies, but actually scores 3 unsaved wounds on them. Fex gets two unsaved wounds on the 5 man termie sqaud. The Termies get 7 unsaved wounds on the fex (who had 3 wounds remaining). Now the questions is..who won combat? Do the extra wounds count meaning that the termies won by 2 wounds? Or do they not count meaning that the nids won by 1 wound?
I'll take a stab at this: I believe that only the "unsaved wounds" are counted for combat resolution (including wounds on multi-wound models killed with Instant Death attacks). So, in your example, the Nids scored: 2 for the termies, 2 on the other termies. Total 4 unsaved wounds. Termies cause 3 wounds on the Fex (only the first 3 are unsaved, after that, they're wasted).
Nids win by 1.
Lordhat has it right for the other question.
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2008/11/12 04:43:02
Subject: Overflow wounds and winning close combat
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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We have always played it the opposite. Say a single wound model must make 4 armor saves. He fails 2. He still takes 2 unsaved wounds even though he would be dead with 1.
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2008/11/12 05:12:22
Subject: Overflow wounds and winning close combat
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Making Stuff
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Page 39 of the Rulebook, "Determine Assault Results" - last paragraph:
"Note that wounds that have been negated by saving throws or other special rules do not count, nor do wounds in excess of a model's Wounds characteristic, only the wounds actually suffered by enemy models..."
So if a 1 wound model fails two saves, it only counts as a single wound for Combat Resolution.
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