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I'm planning on building a Daemon army based around a Lost and the Damned theme rather than using alot of the actual daemon models. I think the Daemons army list has alot of potential for counts as choices. As for what will count as what I'll list off anything not represented by the actual daemon models:

Bloodcrushers - Big Mutants based off the new Ork Nobz

Bloodletters - Cultists converted from FW renegade militia and Empire Flagellants armed with eviscerators or similarly themed large double handed chain weapons. Daemonette rules may work better for them as the have a GEQ base S and T but I think Furious charge and Hellblades make more sense than Fleet and Rending, but it's up for debate!

Pink Horrors - Mutants based of Ork shoota Boyz with zombie and other various mutant heads

I also want to add some Heralds as Demagogues of sorts but I haven't decided which God to use. Possibly Khorne as the army has a large Khorne base, but I'm not sure yet...



Basically, I have the themes all worked out I just wanted some critique on the list itself. Any ideas for changes are welcome. I plan on expanding the point level to 2,000 and the plaguebearers don't have to stay in the list, I just happen to have 10 for my DG army. Any advice units that I could gain from adding or dropping is definitely welcome. So please comment! Good or bad criticism is welcome. I need feedback before I actually start building the army.


1,750 Points

HQ

Great Unclean One - 160

Elites

Bloodcrushers(5) - 210
-Fury of Khorne

Bloodcrushers(5) - 210
-Fury of Khorne

Troops

Pink Horrors(10) - 205
- Bolt of Change
- Chaos Icon

Pink Horrors(10) - 210
- Bolt of Change
- Chaos Icon
- The Changeling

Plague Bearers(10) - 150

Bloodletters(10) - 160

Bloodletters(10) - 160

Heavy Support

Soul Grinder - 160
- Phlegm

Soul Grinder - 160
- Phlegm

Daemon Prince - 145
- Iron Hide
- Mark of Khorne
- Unholy Might

seems decent to me, but you might want tongue on those soul-grinders instead. looks like you lack anti-tank.

You don't have any real mobil units, Eldar, Tau, Dark Eldar skimmers and marine bike squads could really give you a hard time. Maybe just some wings on the daemon prince would help.

Always pay the five points for cloud of flies on the great unclean one. I would only go with one icon and move it to the plague bearers. You are definitely on the slow side maybe some tzeentch heralds would help. Flamers would be a good choice for a third elite.

not bad at all! I envy you, I've yet to get up the monetary fortitude for 10 bloodcrushers

couple things:

10 bloodletter groups will last about 15 seconds. just making sure you're aware. They're super killy for those 15 seconds though!

can't say I like that daemon prince. I find the nurgle ones infinitely more effective and survivable, but ymmv. worth playtesting, see what you think.

your unclean one needs cloud of flies, at the very least. defensive grenades are absolutely disgusting, ruins the day of any unit with more than 10 models in it. he'll ruin people's days with breath of chaos, but it's not a requirement at all.

don't concern yourself hugely about mobility, deep striking makes a lot of it moot. Pink Horrors blow away any AV10 you deep strike near, and the grinders' dread weapons are great can-openers. Fleet, too.

oh, and keep the phlegm attack. you'll need it against hordes far more than you will need tongue against tanks.

I'm a big fan of icons, but you want them in the front of your lines, not the rear. I like them in my plaguebearer squads (quick backup on objectives) and my bloodcrushers (gets people into the fight ASAP). Rule of thumb, I tend to do 1 icon at 1000-1500, 2 icons 1500-2000, and 3 at 2000+.

The Defenestrator wrote:not bad at all! I envy you, I've yet to get up the monetary fortitude for 10 bloodcrushers

Neither do I, that's why I'm using counts as models as stated above. Big Mutants will count as the Blood crushers.

I've changed a few things around. I should've known I can't make a list less than 2k.

Two 9 unit Nurglings swarms will be added and the Prince was changed to a Nurgle one coincidentally as well as a Nurgle Herald.

So the new list looks like this:

1,997 Points

HQ

Great Unclean One - 160

Herald of Nurgle - 70
- Noxious Touch
- Unholy Might

Elites

Bloodcrushers(5) - 210
-Fury of Khorne

Bloodcrushers(5) - 210
-Fury of Khorne

Troops

Pink Horrors(10) - 205
- Bolt of Change
- Chaos Icon

Pink Horrors(10) - 210
- Bolt of Change
- Chaos Icon
- The Changeling

Plague Bearers(10) - 150

Bloodletters(20) - 320

Nurglings(9) - 91

Nurglings(9) - 91


Heavy Support

Soul Grinder - 160
- Phlegm

Soul Grinder - 160
- Phlegm

Daemon Prince - 140
- Daemonic Gaze
- Mark of Nurgle
- Noxious Touch


I really don't like combining the 2 bloodletter squads into one. It seems like too big of a target so I don't know if I'll maybe cut back on the bloodletters and add to the plaguebearers.

Well, I made my purchases tonight for the Daemon army. Needed to down a few bottles of Grolsch before I committed to my ForgeWorld order. ;D So I've set a definite list and the models have all been purchased so I should be receiving them over the next month or so taking into account the delay for FW and GW advance orders.

So here's the list and what models will count as what, I've had to drop some things from the initial list and add some new things that were just too cool to pass up.

Ok, so the list goes as follows:

HQ

Great Unclean One - 165
- Cloud of Flies

(Just my GUO model)

Herald of Khorne - 100
- Iron Hide
- Death Strike

(Counts as Chaos Space Marine(Iron Hide) with Power Weapon(HellBlade) and Plasma Pistol(Death Strike)


Herald of Khorne - 85
- Iron Hide

(Counts as Chaos Space Marine(Iron Hide) with Lightning Claws(HellBlade)


(Heralds will be modeled as "True Scale" Marines most likely a World Eater or Word Bearer theme)


Elites

Bloodcrusher of Khorne(5) - 200

Bloodcrusher of Khorne(5) - 200

(Will be modeled as big Mutants based of the new Ork Nobz with doubled handed Chain weapons with various conversions and mutations)

Troops

Pink Horrors(10) - 205
- Bolt of Tzeentch
- Chaos Icon

Pink Horrors(10) - 210
- Bolt of Tzeentch
- Chaos Icon
- The Changeling

(Will be modeled as Renegade militia with autoguns. This is one unit that people will hopefully be willing to overlook the S4 AP 4 Assault 3 stats of the weapons as the Pink Horrors overall best represented humans with guns, due to the S/T 3 in their stats)

Bloodletters(10) - 160

(Will be modeled as Mutants with Chainaxes base on Ork Boyz models. I thought it was the best way to represent the S/T 4 characteristic and tie in with the Bloodcrushers with chain weapons as well)

Plague Bearers(10) - 150

(Just your standard deamon models)

Fast Attack

Seekers of Slaanesh(5) - 85

Seekers of Slaanesh(5) - 85

(Modeled as Renegade Militia Rough Riders with lances. Based on the Marauder Horsemen and FW renegade militia torsos. It almost balances the bonus Initiative IG rough riders get from the lances and the stats are GEQ, like the Horrors, and I really just wanted some rough riders. )


Heavy Support

Soul Grinder - 160
- Phlegm

(using my Giant/Defiler model)

Soul Grinder - 160
- Phlegm

(standard Soulgrinder)

Daemon Prince - 120
- Mark of Nurgle
- Noxious Touch

(Maybe going to convert an AoBR Warboss into a Big Mutant Lord with a Nurgle theme until the plastic DP is released. I may just end up using my current daemon Prince instead, and since I still have the points to by this model daemonic flight and cloud of flies, it may end up that way.)

Total Points - 1935


So now that I have a set list with definite plans for conversions I'd love some more thoughts from everyone!