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My brother seems to think that you can take a two handed relic blade and a storm shield on the same captain miniature. It doesn't cleary state that it is a restriction, it simply says that you may replace the bolt pistol and/or chainsword for the below for the following points. The Relic blade being a two - handed weapon you would have to replace your bolt pistol and chainsword thus meaning you can't take any of the other options. Right?

Ratbarf wrote:The Relic blade being a two - handed weapon you would have to replace your bolt pistol and chainsword thus meaning you can't take any of the other options. Right?

There is no rule that you have to swap both for a single two-handed weapon, no.

He can swap one weapon for the Relic Blade, and another for the Storm Shield.

can you have a terminator with a thunderhammer (two-handed) and a storm shield?

storm shields don't technically require a free hand. the "two-handed" classification of weapons is only important for it's distinction of not allowing you to use two weapons for the +1 attack bonus. Pretty much everything else (barring when explicitly mentioned, obviously) is cool beans.

Thunderhammer's aren't two handed, matter of fact the core rulebook says they get a bonus attack for two 1 handed weapons only if wielded with another thunderhammer, they are clearly 1 handed.

In this case, no you don't have to exchange two pieces of wargear for a two handed weapon, it doesn't say that anywhere, and strictly speaking the storm shield is no handed, it just prevents you from getting a bonus attack for wielding two 1handers.

So he is absolutely correct. You can use a storm shield with a relic blade.

expensive, but a great combo and totally legal

Okay, that really sucks cause he is going to rag on me for days now....

Thanks anyways.

Str 6 and 3+invuln.....You both might be winners.

yeah the 2handed thing kind of went out the window with 5th, Now all that refers to is things like huge choppas (thanded weapon that confers +2 str.) unless it specifies that its a 2 handed weapon its not, and all that means is that you cant get an extra attack for having an additional cc weapon. Thunder hammers arent 2 handed as a matter of fact you can buy 2 thunder hammers and get an extra attack (the only way to get an extra attack with a TH) Now interestingly enough if memory serves me (I think I had this conv. with someone when the SM codex came out) I dont believe the Storm shield takes up a actual spot, I believe its possible to have a power weapon, a pistol and a storm shield (extra CC attack), isnt it also possible to have a model on a bike with a storm shield (T5 3+ inv.)

It used to be that a model could only be equipeed with one 2 handed weapon (rifle) and up to 2 single handed weapons, the only exception to this was monstorous creatures which could have 2 two handed weapons (2 rifles) But thats old rules and gone away. Interestingly enough the first army to break this rule was eldar (the dire avenger with 2 catapults) which was sort of wrong because it was a core rule at the time, but thats eldar cheese for you.

da gob smaka wrote:Interestingly enough the first army to break this rule was eldar (the dire avenger with 2 catapults) which was sort of wrong because it was a core rule at the time, but thats eldar cheese for you.

It was never a 'core' rule. It was always a codex-specific rule that applied to Armoury selections.

Eldar didn't 'break' the rule... it simply wasn't included in their codex.

Also, the captain could use them at different times, as it would make sense logically.