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my friend plays vc. it is his first army. i beat him every tim with my empire. he says that vc suck, but i keep telling him that he needs good units. he sorta believes me. i told him black knights. he has 1 vampire, 2 necromancers, 20 skellies, 10 zombies, corpse cart, 10 grave guard, 16 crypt gouls. could you suggest some tactics on what to get or use what he has? he can play almost everyday. he has 2 brothers that play. 1 orks and gobbos and one cheesy 3 pegasus knights army. any help appreciated

Looks like he will be playing pretty low points value games.

1: Buy more skeles to hde the necromancers in, in a second wave unit.

2: Giv a points value target and I'll see what I can rustle up using what he has as a base (to make as few new purchases as possible for him)

I'd say he needs more skellies. In lower points games a vampire w/ lord of the dead and dark acolyte is pretty good in the magic phase. Start the game with units of roughly 15, and then pretty much the only spell you need is the invocation.

2 vamps and a necro or 3 vamps would be better than the current set up.

The list is designed to run better with vampires, the designers were adamant about that when they released the book.

Main problem ATM seems also to be the small sized units.

He has plenty of ghouls and enough for 1 good unit of skeles.

My next purchases would be:
20 more skeles.
20 more zombies (to raise)
Box of dire wolves.
10 Grave guard (as he already has them may as well make a decent sized unit)

Problem for VC at low points is that your troops suck and you rarely have the staying power to survive combat after your models 'crumble' due to combat res.

thank you very much. we play 1350 points. I played him last night. we had to stop in the 4th turn. he had destroyed 1 detatchment (8 people), 1 person from another squad, and 5 other people. It was pretty even, because he was about to flank my swordsmen with 16 crypt gouls and my other swordsmen with 20 skellies. Actually i think he has 30 skellies. Didnt the old package come with 20? He got that, a battalion, a couple extra gouls, and some heroes. He probably would have won that game if it wasnt for my wizzard with the vann horsttmans speculum, which i also had the sword of rhuin with.

4 Blood knights are only 220 points and wreck anything they hit. He should proxy up those baddies and see how much they 'suck'

Proxy!

If you are playing for fun let him Proxy up some additional units so he can try other configurations. A Vargulf could make him think again especialy with a Dire Wolf unit screening/ supporting him. Or some cairn Wraiths which will remove any non magical attacks.

That way he can decide what is working for hime before he buys any more models. And if you allow him to use dice to show additonal rank troops that will allow him to show size with out miniatures.

Old box of Skellies was 20 strong. New box is 10.

i told already told him he could proxy stuff. heck, he could use some of my knights. forgot to mention he wanted a varghulf