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Someone please call this one.

Space Wolves p.2 says units can be chosen from the Space Marine Codex "and/or" the Space Wolf Codex.

So putting a tactical squad in a space wolf force, or almost any other unit from the SM codex might be fine.
One interpretation is very open ended, saying that almost everything except the venerable dreadnought can be taken from the SM codex, with counter-attack etc (wolf spec rules) swapped for combat tactics etc (SM spec rules).

Many of the space-wolf-specific units do not seem to exclude a mundane SM equivalent.

I've not been able to find anything wrong with it from a RAW point of view, as the side-bars in SW codex are inconclusive.

Are the only non vehicle units available to a SW force the ones listed in the book? (and one scout squad?)
A list of which units can be used would be very helpful... Or even if GW said to ignore the third item on page 2.

We're all hoping for a new book, but for now, what do you think?

This would mean that Wolves can get Tactical, Sternguard and Devastator Squads (etc) from the new Space Marines, swapping Combat Tactics and Combat Squads etc for Counter Attack and Acute Senses.

Advocate wrote:Space Wolves p.2 says units can be chosen from the Space Marine Codex "and/or" the Space Wolf Codex.

Yes, units can be chosen from Codex Space Marines. The units that you can choose are the ones that the army list in Codex Space Wolves specifically allows you to choose.

Thanks, that's how I've been using it.

So, the only time SW rules would be used to replace SM rules would be the single scout unit allowed to be chosen from Codex SM, and attack bikes.

I do wish there was something more definitive though. The "and/or" written on page 2 seems to indicate that it is possible to choose an entire force from Codex SM, and gain SW special rules. If some entries are replaced, as it says, where does it say which entries are replacements?
I guess, if it isn't in the SW book, it can't be used, excluding vehicles? I wish it was stated clearly.

I seem to remember an older faq which clarified something about page 2, but there is nothing about non vehicle choices in the latest one.

It is probably too good to be true (and too confusing), but I was just wondering if it is just a matter of tradition to exclude SM units, and not technically a rule. SW Sternguard would be so, so cool.

Advocate wrote:The "and/or" written on page 2 seems to indicate that it is possible to choose an entire force from Codex SM, and gain SW special rules.

Not really. Just because it says that you can choose units from Codex Space Marines does not mean you can choose whatever you want. You can choose the units that the codex specifically allows.

On the other hand, you could just write a vanilla list and still model them as Space Wolves. Counter-charge is sort of irrelevant now anyway.

Also note it does not say you can take a SM scout squad. It says you can take the weapons options of that squad.

The rules are very clear what you can or can not take.

Hey all,

I agree with the points you are making in principal. They make heaps of sense, and I agree. I'm looking into the RAW interperetation though.

However I do have to mention the term "and/or" and it's implications.

"or" implies that the SM codex can be used exclusively. Sw may choose units from ... SM... or... SW... Do you see what I mean?

GW needs to say something like "ignore page 2" in their next faq? Because as it stands, I'm struggling to find any RAW reason to disallow this idea.

@Arctik*: How is counter attack irrelevant now? SW gets assaulted, and takes a Ld check in order to get an extra attack! +2 if they are Blood Claws. +3 for Ragnar.

@General Hobbs: you're absolutely right.

EDIT: just a correction...

Interesting that you mention this. I was a playing a list last night and was going to use Legion of the Damned. The general consensus was that they could not use them because they are an elite choice not allies like deathwatch or grey knights. I didn't mind but I had forgotten that portion fo the codex. May have to bring that one back up