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Marneus Calgar
Captain Lysander
6x assault terminator squad w. thunder hammers & storm shields
Landraider Crusader piloted by Chronus

10x Scouts split into 2 combat squads:
5x Scouts (incl. Telion) w. sniper rifles & heavy bolter (hellfire rounds)
5x Scouts w. combat blades & bolt pistols
Landspeeder Storm

10x tactical Marines w. Melta/melta combi-melta & power fist - rhino
10x tactical Marines w. Melta/melta combi-melta & power fist - rhino

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KK, seen in tactics. Looks.. hitty.

wow!
The list looks like a lotta fun.
How are you intending to play it? With so few models on the board surely that LRC is going to eat every AT weapon the enemy has in turn1, if your LRC gets immobilized then your going to find it hard to get stuck into the enemy ranks. (especially if they're mobile)

Still, what the hell do I know? 4 Special chars FTW!!!

The rhinos screen the LRC for cover saves.

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how is this a powerbuild? youve got some stuff. thats about it.

calgar and lysanders special rules dont go well together. you lose calgar fanstastic rule (he doesnt have chapter tactics) for stubbon, which will keep you locked in combats you cant win. re-rolling bolters is useless when nobody has them.

souts by themselves arent good. sniper rifles wont have much impact on the game at BS3 and scouts with combat blades only work in big numbers (you have 5!). 15 WS3 S4 attacks, even with -2Ld just isnt scary. youre likely to have the snot beaten out of you if you charge anything better than a squad of firewarriors.

the tactical marines are good but you have to be very thick to get those wrong. same with the terminators and the landraider.

this list must the a joke. you have too much stuff that has dissynergy with other stuff in your army. all there is is some stuff.

See tactics thread, replace lysander for Sicarius or another scoring unit in a rhino.

Regwon wrote:
calgar and lysanders special rules dont go well together. you lose calgar fanstastic rule (he doesnt have chapter tactics) for stubbon, which will keep you locked in combats you cant win. re-rolling bolters is useless when nobody has them.

Can't you use Calgar's rules instead of Lysander's? If so it is pretty much a no brainer.

souts by themselves arent good. sniper rifles wont have much impact on the game at BS3 and scouts with combat blades only work in big numbers (you have 5!). 15 WS3 S4 attacks, even with -2Ld just isnt scary. youre likely to have the snot beaten out of you if you charge anything better than a squad of firewarriors.

This unit is for scoring only and holding objectives.


I will refrain to responding to your low brow comments.

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yes you can use calgars instead but i would still drop Lysander for some more models another tactical squad wouldnt hurt. your army would get swarmed even by armys that are not swarm armys without more guys. i would also drop the landspeeder storm and make the 2 5 man scout squads a 10 man with all snipers and a heavy bolter.

I run rhinos as screens for my LRC. Be careful against heavy AT armies. I have gotton crushed by a tau list a couple of times due to him taking out both rhino's in the first turn of his shooting. Makes getting the LRC around the disembarked troops a hastle. I think the list sounds good. In refference to the above post, all "power lists" are "just some stuff". Make sure your clear on how those rules with calgar and lysander are going to work, don't wan't to find out at the tourny table you were wrong. good luck

i really dont see this list as being a power list its a good list but i really really wouldnt call it a power list. if you want a power list try droping all scouts the storm and the rhinos and Lysander for 2 more landraiders then fill what ever points are left with whatever you want really. that would pack more puch but then you would be knee deep in trouble against swarm lists

I am going to post a batrep versus lash spam this evening.

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Deathmachine wrote:yes you can use calgars instead but i would still drop Lysander for some more models another tactical squad wouldnt hurt. your army would get swarmed even by armys that are not swarm armys without more guys. i would also drop the landspeeder storm and make the 2 5 man scout squads a 10 man with all snipers and a heavy bolter.

no you cant.

lysanders chapter tactics rule replaces combat tactics.

lysanders entry then goes on to say, if there are two possible uses for chapter tactics, pick one to use for the battle.

no where on calgars entry does it mention chapter tactics.

calgars rule says that any unit with combat tactics may choose to pass or fail any Ld test.

however, since you have brought along lysander, nobody has combat tactics anymore, they all have subbon instead.

so all they can do is stand there and be shot like everyone else, or get bogged down in combats they cant win.

Well like I said... I know you from a hole in the ground so I will check it myself if you don't mind chief. Anyways to be honest even if they end up being stubborn that is not a big deal really.

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yeah i know about all that Regwon but i was told you dont have to use lysander rule that you can chose combat tactics instead but my source could be wrong he is a good gamer though, so its hard to say.

Take it to YMDC.

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rules >> what my friend said
always. No need for YMDC.
There is no evidence you can give up Lysander's ability.

So drop Lysander.

Lysander is there to drop the war bosses. Marneus and the termies shred nobs. I will take 3+ versus 5+ all year long. God of War is cool but I can live without it.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I am going to post a batrep versus lash spam this evening.

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I'm psyched for this. Are you going to take pics and stuff? Post a link here if you don't post it in this thread.

Regwon wrote:lysanders chapter tactics rule replaces combat tactics.

lysanders entry then goes on to say, if there are two possible uses for chapter tactics, pick one to use for the battle.

no where on calgars entry does it mention chapter tactics.

calgars rule says that any unit with combat tactics may choose to pass or fail any Ld test.

however, since you have brought along lysander, nobody has combat tactics anymore, they all have subbon instead.

so all they can do is stand there and be shot like everyone else, or get bogged down in combats they cant win.

This is how it works ladies and gentlemen.

It seems to me that there is too mch of inefficient use of points in this build to really call it a "power" build.

Calgar - cool, but doesn't really mesh with the assault marine squad o' doom, and is very expensive.

Lysander, again, cool, but his "Bolter drill" ability is wasted, his chapter tactis are not really needed due to TSKNF, and a 2+ armor save.

Chronos, thelion -- not really sure these guys are worth their points, you have like 585 points of special characters in this list..., , and over 1000 points invested in one vehicle+troops.

I think this list would improve by taking a chaplain+ 7 assault troops, mixing up the Thunderhammers and Lightning claws, then using the 400 some odd points some where else, like some heavy support, or maybe cashing in a couple scout squads for another assault marine squad + another LRC.

this think that would improve the firepower of this build immensly.

You just don't get it.

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Um... what is the Lysander model for? I get the monster killer... but what about another unit that is less than the 200 points your spending?

Or, instead of termies, you could get a whole bunch of sternguard, that would go well, but again, I think that your going to have problems with Calgar.

I just think that those two heroes don't mesh well with the army. Bolter drill could work really well with Calagar's bolter of "AHM GONNA KILL YAH SUKA!!" I don't think that the combination is worth the 450 points your spending for it.

sorry this might be a bit late... it took me a while to press submit

GBF it's a heavy waste of points you've got locked up in specials. I'm totally unsure what calgar is for in your list. He doesn't do anything spectacular since you don't get his special rule. It really needs to be one or the other. Invest those other points in spreading out your eggs. Your list is an instant loose against:

-standard tau (walking termies with no weapons=slow termi death)

-Orks (any kind with significant numbers since you'll be bogged down rather quickly)

-Nidzilla (sacrifice a single TMC to kill the landraider and pick the rest of the army apart)

-Sternguard heavy and Bike Heavy SM's

-Dark Eldar

Now the above lists and most generalist lists will be able to table you fairly easily due to your non specialized nature. You don't control a single phase of the game and that means it's anything but a power build.

Actually this list will do best against a lash/oblit chaos army since that is an elite army that might not have the staying power or enough range once you catch those oblits.

Good luck but it's anything but a power list.

hey man congrats on the win, anything that stood out as a winner? Anything that stood out as a loser?

Hey, G., its not a power build. At this pt level there are quite a few power builds that outperform this army. Five troops simply don't cut it.

I would hate to play DE with the list. Tau could be tough too. The army I used in the batrep had some proxies as my tournie army is BA. This army is simply an exercise to build a specific type of list.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I would hate to play DE with the list. Tau could be tough too. The army I used in the batrep had some proxies as my tournie army is BA. This army is simply an exercise to build a specific type of list.

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Ya I would hate to play Tau with this army. Actually... tau, guard, eldar, or pretty much any army with mass anti-tank. If that land raider gets popped first turn you're f'ed. Also against any army with lots of small, weak squads and tonnes of shooting you would be toast. Against a guard army, your termies would shred one squad then get cut down by mass rapid firing lasguns.

This list may be great against other "powerbuilds," or perhaps more specifically against other 'all eggs in one basket' lists such as nob-biker-megaunit, but against a well-rounded take-all-comers list I would see you getting smoked out pretty quick.

This army could stick it to IG. I fear the Tau railgun with markerlights.

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